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within around 30 years there will be AI so well developed that it will be ALMOST equivliant to a human
I'd say 10-20 years. 30 years from now it will massively exceed human-scale intelligence (thanks to exponential growth) and the Singularity may even be underway.
See
http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?m=1,
http://www.singularity.org/
and Vinge's original article:http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Singularity/sing.html
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I'd say 10-20 years. 30 years from now it will massively exceed human-scale intelligence (thanks to exponential growth) and the Singularity may even be underway.
See
and Vinge's original article:
I've been trying to download a copy of Harold cohen's AARON, an AI artist.
http://www.kurzweilcyberart.com/
the download link does not work for some reason.. or maybe its just my computer.
the download link does not work for some reason.. or maybe its just my computer.
Looks like they've moved the file at some time in the past 4 years. You'll find it via: http://www.kurzweilcyberart.com/KCATaaron/content/servlets/basicFTP.html
And I'm pleased to see it runs fine under WinXP (I haven't used it in years, since I was running Win98 I guess.)
And I'm pleased to see it runs fine under WinXP (I haven't used it in years, since I was running Win98 I guess.)
Yeah I agree, 10 years may be a little early though, i think i would go for 20 years. 30 for beyond ourselves.
Speaking of that, does anyone here beleive that when they become beyond us, will they overthrow humans? Or do you think we can "raise" AI like children, and if raised properly, they will be "good"?
Speaking of that, does anyone here beleive that when they become beyond us, will they overthrow humans? Or do you think we can "raise" AI like children, and if raised properly, they will be "good"?
The timespan depends more on how consciousness arises from the brain than how fast the computers develop. We still aren't completely sure how consciousness is produced in the first place, though we have a pretty good structural undertanding of the brain.
We don't know how much redundancy is built into the brain - evolution producing sub-optimally efficient circuitry (if it's similar to the redundancy built into our DNA it could be 80% or higher, so the same level of cognition can be achieved with 20% of the circuitry). But we will get there - it's just uncertainty within an order of magnitude or so.
If we can't initially build a conscious mind from scratch, then porting a synaptic-scale scan of a human brain may be the first source of computer consciousness.
If you haven't read Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity Is Near : When Humans Transcend Biology (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670033847), then I would urge you to.
Will they overthrow us? I think it's likelier that we will merge with them - it'll start off as simple enough augmentation technologies (implants, knowledge downloads, brain memory upgrades, nanomedical devices, etc.) - we've actually already begun this: cochlear and retinal implants for the disabled are becoming more common, electronic reconnection of severed spinal cords is in the human testing phase now, and much experimental work is being done on interfacing neurons and electronic circuitry.
Some people will resist the new technologies, but the benefits will seem clear cut (wouldn't you like to be able to painlessly download the entire contents of the Library of Congress to a small brain implant for eidetic recall? Or the ability to play any musical instrument as well as the finest musicians in the world? Speak 2000 languages like a native? "Be" your favourite singer/actor/artist, with a memory implant that's indistinguishable from RL? Merge your whole mind with the mind of the one you love?) There simply won't be a clear-cut point at which anyone can say "stop here, and go no further", and the benefits will be irresistable to the vast majority of the population.
We don't know how much redundancy is built into the brain - evolution producing sub-optimally efficient circuitry (if it's similar to the redundancy built into our DNA it could be 80% or higher, so the same level of cognition can be achieved with 20% of the circuitry). But we will get there - it's just uncertainty within an order of magnitude or so.
If we can't initially build a conscious mind from scratch, then porting a synaptic-scale scan of a human brain may be the first source of computer consciousness.
If you haven't read Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity Is Near : When Humans Transcend Biology (
Will they overthrow us? I think it's likelier that we will merge with them - it'll start off as simple enough augmentation technologies (implants, knowledge downloads, brain memory upgrades, nanomedical devices, etc.) - we've actually already begun this: cochlear and retinal implants for the disabled are becoming more common, electronic reconnection of severed spinal cords is in the human testing phase now, and much experimental work is being done on interfacing neurons and electronic circuitry.
Some people will resist the new technologies, but the benefits will seem clear cut (wouldn't you like to be able to painlessly download the entire contents of the Library of Congress to a small brain implant for eidetic recall? Or the ability to play any musical instrument as well as the finest musicians in the world? Speak 2000 languages like a native? "Be" your favourite singer/actor/artist, with a memory implant that's indistinguishable from RL? Merge your whole mind with the mind of the one you love?) There simply won't be a clear-cut point at which anyone can say "stop here, and go no further", and the benefits will be irresistable to the vast majority of the population.
I found the PIBOT page unimpressive. I mean, the stuff they were saying about how it works sounds like it might be functional, if true, but I really hope the bot has a better grasp of English grammar than whoever wrote the website.
Cartoon involving wildcard plugins:
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
(Look at the one for January 18th.)
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
(Look at the one for January 18th.)
I hadn't - I don't think it ever screened here in the UK (though I've not watched TV in 6 months, so can't make any very up-to-date pronouncements on that,) but the review of the original comics at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/1073/gis.htm makes me think I ought to track them down. They do look pretty good.
Or I'll wait 20 years, and download a memory of having read them in the original back in '89, thus saving myself 17 years on deal...
Or I'll wait 20 years, and download a memory of having read them in the original back in '89, thus saving myself 17 years on deal...
Lol, yeah there is also a movie of it. You should be albe to download the episodes of the TV show online. Theres links all over the place. if you want i can ask a friend where he downloads those shows from and I can get it to you.
Yeah Ghost In the shell is based on just what you and I were talking about... I think you would be very interested.
Yeah Ghost In the shell is based on just what you and I were talking about... I think you would be very interested.
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