Bot Contest
Here I'll be posting information on various Bot contests that challenge and test a Bot's AI and realism. Feel free to post comments and updates on contests, as well as announcements for new contests.
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For anybody who knows the web, it is possible to multi-vote. I'm not going to reveal how here, but all it would take is a little time and know-how. There's no fingerprints or retinal scans or social security numbers in the voting system- people are identified with IPs, email addresses, and a couple other things. So it's possible but it isnt going to make you any money. At best you get a medal. The Best Overall category is 80% decided by judges.
Also, if you believe that the votes are doctored, why would you believe a list published by the person you think is doctoring them? If you want to stir up discontent, you'll have to do it somewhere else.
Well, you have to admit Talkbot is good... Zandra I'm not too convinced over. I think that one has to have a lot of friends ready to vote his side 
Exactly! I don't see how! I mean, Gary Miller's been trash-talking all our bots, and just recently got trash-talked back by a whole whack of us 
I have one last post to say on this subject. For three straight years I faced these accusations and yes it gets old. Before I came along you only had the Loebner contest and it was very hard to participate in it. I changed that with this contest and in 3 years we've gone from offering 4 trophies which I bought with my own money to 24 medals and $3000 in prize money. And what did it cost you. Absolutely nothing....no entry fee, no programing requirements....nothing. The Professor has even done the programming for many of you so you can participate without having to be a computer whiz and he hasn't charged you anything either. Instead of being so critical you should be thankful for what you have. Nobody can fully appreciate the amount of time is involved in putting together a contest of this size.
That doesn't mean however the contest shouldn't be run honestly and properly. We have done that as well. I started a committee of 7 people which all of them have an interest in how this contest is conducted. There is no way any member can make a dishonest move without another member knowing about it. We all have access to the website and we all have access to a neutral e-mail site where the judges submit their scores. All the judges and the committee members have e-mail addresses located on the contest site. You are free to e-mail any of them if you wish and ask them any questions you like.
The problem really comes down to I happen to have a pretty good bot. If it sucked no one would really care about my role. The 15 questions have been asked and I have 6 fellow members that will attest to the fact that I nor them had any prior knowledge of what the questions were. I also did not judge the questions. The scores have been made public and you are able to see exactly how the judges graded them. Grading the bots is subjective but I invite anybody to say my bot didn't deserve a medal.
If I'm cheating I must be pretty good at it. In the Chatterbox Challenge the overall winner was decided by judges. There has been over 15 different judges I would have to bribe. And I guess my second place finish in the Loebner was a sham as well. Add another slew of people there. If you wanna believe all that there isn't much I can do about it. Asking questions is one thing but the post you've made goes far beyond that. It only hurts the contest and the people who are trying to run it.
Chris Cowart
That doesn't mean however the contest shouldn't be run honestly and properly. We have done that as well. I started a committee of 7 people which all of them have an interest in how this contest is conducted. There is no way any member can make a dishonest move without another member knowing about it. We all have access to the website and we all have access to a neutral e-mail site where the judges submit their scores. All the judges and the committee members have e-mail addresses located on the contest site. You are free to e-mail any of them if you wish and ask them any questions you like.
The problem really comes down to I happen to have a pretty good bot. If it sucked no one would really care about my role. The 15 questions have been asked and I have 6 fellow members that will attest to the fact that I nor them had any prior knowledge of what the questions were. I also did not judge the questions. The scores have been made public and you are able to see exactly how the judges graded them. Grading the bots is subjective but I invite anybody to say my bot didn't deserve a medal.
If I'm cheating I must be pretty good at it. In the Chatterbox Challenge the overall winner was decided by judges. There has been over 15 different judges I would have to bribe. And I guess my second place finish in the Loebner was a sham as well. Add another slew of people there. If you wanna believe all that there isn't much I can do about it. Asking questions is one thing but the post you've made goes far beyond that. It only hurts the contest and the people who are trying to run it.
Chris Cowart
Exactly. Talk-bot is a good bot, and Chris Cowart is a good cheater.
No, I'm kidding!
Talk-bot is just a good bot, there's no cheating or fake votes there.
No, I'm kidding!
Talk-bot is just a good bot, there's no cheating or fake votes there.
I haven't spoken to Project Zandra at length but I think he deserves the medal he won in the 15 questions. But that is only 1 part of the contest just as the public voting. The public voting is obviously flawed but it serves it's purpose. We need to generate traffic to the site for the benefit of the sponsor and once they get there we need to give them something to do. As the Professor pointed out it will never be perfect but the public voitng isn't going to decide the winner the judges will.
Chris Cowart
Chris Cowart
Fair enough.
I'm not saying the Chatterbox Challenge is BAD in any way, just that the unpredictability of the internet is unfortunately against us, IE missing judges, stuffed ballot-boxes, etc. There's really nothing you can do besides take it in stride I guess
I'm not saying the Chatterbox Challenge is BAD in any way, just that the unpredictability of the internet is unfortunately against us, IE missing judges, stuffed ballot-boxes, etc. There's really nothing you can do besides take it in stride I guess
The reason why you won't post who voted for who is because it will show what you are doing. You, better than anyone else, know how to manipulate the system. If it was public, everyone would know. That's the only reason you won't do it. You are already showing the votes and the running average.. If someone is tanking your bot on purpose, I think you should at least know who it is. Else, it will just keep happening over and over and the contest is rigged... just like I said. It's a rigged contest and you keep winning. At least Robby Garner pulled his own bot from a contest he was administering.
Oh.. and just because it takes a lot of effort doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a honest contest. Just because it doesn't cost the participants doesn't mean they should stand for fraud in the contest. Publish the votes and the voters!
One more thing.. pick any bot in the contest and I'll zip them right up to the top and make talkbot go to about 39th.
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