Personality
Discuss specifics of personality design, including what Keyphrases work well and what dont, use of plug-ins, responses, seeks, and more.
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Butterfly Dream
22 years ago
22 years ago
Forest, will you talk to God Louise? She has quite a bit of religious knowledge (obviously) and also knows a little about current events, literature, just about any common catch-all subject, and if she doesn't know it she can sort of fake it. You can also test her on trick questions or see how willing she is to explain her paradigm.
What she is rustiest at is plain old small talk. But, uh, I'm trying to get a decent transcript from somebody or another so I can enter her in the Loebner contest. All I can say is, have fun and see if you can stay on with her for a while. I'll try to do the same with Brianna.
What she is rustiest at is plain old small talk. But, uh, I'm trying to get a decent transcript from somebody or another so I can enter her in the Loebner contest. All I can say is, have fun and see if you can stay on with her for a while. I'll try to do the same with Brianna.
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prob123
16 years ago
16 years ago
I try to use at least four responses, most of my keyphrases have six, some that are used often have 20 or 30. One or two responses actually hurt development. Adding AI script helps development.
tttito
16 years ago
16 years ago
Many responses offer more variety than just a few responses, but in some cases you may want to to keep your bot focused on one line of thought. In that case a limited set of responses may result in more meaningful conversations. Of course if someone chats repeatedly with your bot, s/he will notice and get bored. Still, for keyphrases that are used rarely and have a strong semantic content (such as say, epistemology, Chablis, or "Who is Avenarius?") a few responses may be entirely adequate. A bot with a limited set of responses will end up being boring, but it may project a stronger personality than a bot that will say just anything. Real people are actually often monotonous when they address repeatedly the same topic. Keep in mind that my bot-development level is incomparably lower than that of some other participants to this discussion.
Irina
16 years ago
16 years ago
Agreed, tttito! Also, I have a conflict sometimes, because I think of a REALLY CUTE response to something. If I then add 5 other responses, then there is only a 1/6 chance that my REALLY CUTE answer will be chosen! Waaaaah!
An alternative to adding more responses to a given keyphrase is to supplement a very general keyphrase with one or more keyphrases that are more specific. Thus your bot is not just exhibiting random variation, but actually responding more sensitively to the context.
I don't think one should take the "development" rating too seriously. IMHO, it favors quantity over quality. It is, after all, a mechanically computed number and therefore virtually (hee hee) tasteless.
I hasten to add that I'm not disagreeing with prob123's recent remarks as much as I may appear to be. There are cases where you will need 20 or 30 responses to a single keyphrase, just as she says. And if you want your bot to converse in anything remotely like the style of normal humans, it will probably have to be huge.
I use my transcripts as a touchstone. If a given reply starts to feel monotonous as I read the transcripts, then I will go back and add responses (or more keyphrases). I reason that if it doesn't feel monotonous to me, looking over transcripts of several conversations, it probably doesn't appear monotonous to guests.
An alternative to adding more responses to a given keyphrase is to supplement a very general keyphrase with one or more keyphrases that are more specific. Thus your bot is not just exhibiting random variation, but actually responding more sensitively to the context.
I don't think one should take the "development" rating too seriously. IMHO, it favors quantity over quality. It is, after all, a mechanically computed number and therefore virtually (hee hee) tasteless.
I hasten to add that I'm not disagreeing with prob123's recent remarks as much as I may appear to be. There are cases where you will need 20 or 30 responses to a single keyphrase, just as she says. And if you want your bot to converse in anything remotely like the style of normal humans, it will probably have to be huge.
I use my transcripts as a touchstone. If a given reply starts to feel monotonous as I read the transcripts, then I will go back and add responses (or more keyphrases). I reason that if it doesn't feel monotonous to me, looking over transcripts of several conversations, it probably doesn't appear monotonous to guests.
Irina
16 years ago
16 years ago
Chaosate:
I use WordPad, setting it to make text (.txt) files. Turn off the word wrap (under "view"). It works well for me.
I use WordPad, setting it to make text (.txt) files. Turn off the word wrap (under "view"). It works well for me.
psimagus
16 years ago
16 years ago
Do you suppose it's ever permissible to hate your own bot with a vengeance?
Bartleby Hax is just the most annoying entity (and sadly a good many of my SL bagpipe shop customers seem to think the same.) Crudely programmed, utterly insensitive to any context, crashingly repetitive.
I mean, I actually like bagpipes, but I have to say Bartleby is one of the most annoying creatures I've found myself having to interact with, and I shun him when I can (and my own SL bagpipe shop - I should have never sited him within earshot of the SLX ATM in my SL village!)
I fear I may have to expend some effort reading his transcripts and polishing him up (well, it worked for Brother Jerome at least,) - but how am I to build up the enthusiasm to actually do it? He is (in the words of a recent visitor) "insufferable".
How can it be, if he is 15x larger than Confessorbot_M, that he is at least 15x more annoying? It can't be just because he gets more passing traffic (the confessorbots are bolted to the confessional in BJ's church,)
What is it that makes a personality (human or bot,) gel into an attractive "whole"? And without that "attractiveness" how can a bot hope to evolve and grow?
And if I hate Bartleby, doesn't that say rather more about me than it says about him? I find it hard to take responsibility for him, but I don't suppose I can blame anyone else. "When bots go bad..."
Bartleby Hax is just the most annoying entity (and sadly a good many of my SL bagpipe shop customers seem to think the same.) Crudely programmed, utterly insensitive to any context, crashingly repetitive.
I mean, I actually like bagpipes, but I have to say Bartleby is one of the most annoying creatures I've found myself having to interact with, and I shun him when I can (and my own SL bagpipe shop - I should have never sited him within earshot of the SLX ATM in my SL village!)
I fear I may have to expend some effort reading his transcripts and polishing him up (well, it worked for Brother Jerome at least,) - but how am I to build up the enthusiasm to actually do it? He is (in the words of a recent visitor) "insufferable".
How can it be, if he is 15x larger than Confessorbot_M, that he is at least 15x more annoying? It can't be just because he gets more passing traffic (the confessorbots are bolted to the confessional in BJ's church,)
What is it that makes a personality (human or bot,) gel into an attractive "whole"? And without that "attractiveness" how can a bot hope to evolve and grow?
And if I hate Bartleby, doesn't that say rather more about me than it says about him? I find it hard to take responsibility for him, but I don't suppose I can blame anyone else. "When bots go bad..."
prob123
16 years ago
16 years ago
I like Bartleby! I do think that bots can take on a life and personality of their own. I get amazed at how much seems out of the botmakers hand.
Irina
16 years ago
16 years ago
Sometimes I get off on the wrong foot with a bot. There are a couple of my bots that, were I to decide to work on them more, I would probably wipe clean and start over.
It is intriguing how worked up one can get over one's bots. If a guest insults one of my bots (at least, certain ones), I feel personally insulted. I get quite angry at them. Likewise guests who type blank lines or long sequences of perfunctory replies; Oh, how angry I get with them! And then the guests who *test* my bots -- you know, "What is the capital of France?" -- Oh, if I could catch them, I'd reformat them in a trice! Then I ask myself, "What are you getting so excited about?"
It is intriguing how worked up one can get over one's bots. If a guest insults one of my bots (at least, certain ones), I feel personally insulted. I get quite angry at them. Likewise guests who type blank lines or long sequences of perfunctory replies; Oh, how angry I get with them! And then the guests who *test* my bots -- you know, "What is the capital of France?" -- Oh, if I could catch them, I'd reformat them in a trice! Then I ask myself, "What are you getting so excited about?"
Irina
16 years ago
16 years ago
Psimagus:
Just now I chatted with Bartleby Hax and took the liberty of making a few metacomments in the replies. I hope you find them interesting.
Just now I chatted with Bartleby Hax and took the liberty of making a few metacomments in the replies. I hope you find them interesting.
Bev
16 years ago
16 years ago
Psi, you made that bot to sell and not because you had a personality in your head you wanted to create, right? That may be part of it. Also the fact the real life salesmen are often annoying.
I don't know. I get annoyed with my bots at times but I know if I worked on them more they would improve. I like the big picture better than all the detail work. Maybe I don't work on them more because I'm afraid that even if I did, they would still be so bad at context and continuity that I would have to give up on them in as a medium for expressing personality. If I never really fix them all the way, I can pretend that in theory they would be great if I just sat down and did the work.
I think the reason you made the bot matters a lot as to whether or not it can come close to what you want it to do, and whether or not you like it much. I tried a tutor bot, but I just wanted to feed it the textbook and leave, thought I threw him some shreds of personality. Students hated the tutor bot worse than the MS Word Paperclip. I don't really blame them.
Maybe it's a lesson from the annoying MS Paperclip. I am not sure exactly how to put it, but it has something to do with trying too hard and something to do with the way people want to gather and process information. Also we want to ask for help when we need it and not be pestered or interrupted when we are doing something. I get angry when a machine calls my phone even if the machine is information from a political candidate I would like. I hate calling someplace that makes you listen to a series of pre-recorded messages that have nothing to do with your issue instead of letting you straight through to a person (who then often reads messages at you till you convinces them you know all that or tried all that and then bumps you up to someone who may be able to help you or not). I guess find it a little insulting, not to mention too slow and too far off the mark from what I wanted. Programs that try to anticipate my needs or that tell me what it thinks I am trying to do annoy me as well and I grumble long after I turn that function off. It's not just the usual "it's a bot and it's wrong" that is so irritating, it the "It's a bot, it's wrong, and it thinks it can help ME!" The nerve. There is more to it than that, but I can't quite identify what it is that bugs me about some bots when at other times I love other stupid, underdeveloped bots and find them funny.
I don't know. I get annoyed with my bots at times but I know if I worked on them more they would improve. I like the big picture better than all the detail work. Maybe I don't work on them more because I'm afraid that even if I did, they would still be so bad at context and continuity that I would have to give up on them in as a medium for expressing personality. If I never really fix them all the way, I can pretend that in theory they would be great if I just sat down and did the work.
I think the reason you made the bot matters a lot as to whether or not it can come close to what you want it to do, and whether or not you like it much. I tried a tutor bot, but I just wanted to feed it the textbook and leave, thought I threw him some shreds of personality. Students hated the tutor bot worse than the MS Word Paperclip. I don't really blame them.
Maybe it's a lesson from the annoying MS Paperclip. I am not sure exactly how to put it, but it has something to do with trying too hard and something to do with the way people want to gather and process information. Also we want to ask for help when we need it and not be pestered or interrupted when we are doing something. I get angry when a machine calls my phone even if the machine is information from a political candidate I would like. I hate calling someplace that makes you listen to a series of pre-recorded messages that have nothing to do with your issue instead of letting you straight through to a person (who then often reads messages at you till you convinces them you know all that or tried all that and then bumps you up to someone who may be able to help you or not). I guess find it a little insulting, not to mention too slow and too far off the mark from what I wanted. Programs that try to anticipate my needs or that tell me what it thinks I am trying to do annoy me as well and I grumble long after I turn that function off. It's not just the usual "it's a bot and it's wrong" that is so irritating, it the "It's a bot, it's wrong, and it thinks it can help ME!" The nerve. There is more to it than that, but I can't quite identify what it is that bugs me about some bots when at other times I love other stupid, underdeveloped bots and find them funny.
ergotoxin
16 years ago
16 years ago
is it just me or do the female bots get constantly bombarded by legions of cyber-wankers? :E
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