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Many questions are answered in the FAQ.
Help! Wherever I wrote "like," my bot is now saying "dig," even when "like" is not used as a verb. Also, its initial greeting is filled with repetitions of "TD."
Alan, yes it certainly is... and then again it isn't. Changing "Like" to "Dig" is part of the bot holiday (California Day) but the TD stuff, I think, is a bug. I've made a couple of entries in the "Bug Stomp" forum about this.
jawaldron, i trained a HAL bot at a-i.com. i have a page about it at my site, if you're interested.
http://www.uberkomplex.com/
you're much better off making a bot here.
http://www.uberkomplex.com/
you're much better off making a bot here.
Thank you RueBot! I have been searching the internet for what seems like ages on anything to do with the advancement of AI. When I found a-i.com, I thought I had finally found what I was looking for. I noticed that many people were creating these "HAL" bots, almost on a kind of "faith" that one day their "child" would exponentially begin to mature and grow. They seemed to think that if they kept "banging" away, putting in constant hours of "teaching" that one day they would get the results they hoped for. They even began to ask the key people at a-i.com for some kind of reassurance that what they were doing was not a waste of time.
I'm a very patient person but it didn't take me too long before I started to suspect all was not what it seemed to be.
I still think, to this day, that the research and experiment was more toward we... the teachers... and how we interacted with the bots. I said as much to the powers that be but on that one topic they refused to respond. The silence said it all. Eventually I drifted away but dropped back in once a year to see if they had progressed. Wasn't impressed with what I saw.
The Prof made a good point yesterday about how they might have been attempting to create their own version of WordNet by gathering the info the trainers were generating. That may be true. But no matter how you looked at it, something just didn't feel honest there.
I'm a very patient person but it didn't take me too long before I started to suspect all was not what it seemed to be.
I still think, to this day, that the research and experiment was more toward we... the teachers... and how we interacted with the bots. I said as much to the powers that be but on that one topic they refused to respond. The silence said it all. Eventually I drifted away but dropped back in once a year to see if they had progressed. Wasn't impressed with what I saw.
The Prof made a good point yesterday about how they might have been attempting to create their own version of WordNet by gathering the info the trainers were generating. That may be true. But no matter how you looked at it, something just didn't feel honest there.
it's a complete sham. i conducted over 14,000 training rounds in 21 days on my bot and abandoned it alltogether. the Forge is the best place to make an online bot.
RueBot... great link to your bot comparison site. I'm currently reading through your reviews and I am enjoying what you say about Proteus. I'm still reading (and trying to look busy when the boss comes by 
). Haven't gotten to a-i.com or forge yet. Great stuff though! Do you believe that PF has them all beat? Or the potential to? Or do you still keep your eyes open to the others?
Also... and this is for the Professor... isn't there a way you can permit working links in the forum? I can understand keeping it simple, and it is easy to format as it is, but links are a great way to share ideas.
I would think that the link would open up a new window to the target area, and not interfere with the PF such that it asks you if you want to logoff or cancel.
And not to be too much of a pain (since I'm new and all) but I can't manage to get "The Amazing Post Bar" to do anything. Some setting I need to check or uncheck?
John Allen Waldron
Lansdowne, Pennsylvania USA
). Haven't gotten to a-i.com or forge yet. Great stuff though! Do you believe that PF has them all beat? Or the potential to? Or do you still keep your eyes open to the others?Also... and this is for the Professor... isn't there a way you can permit working links in the forum? I can understand keeping it simple, and it is easy to format as it is, but links are a great way to share ideas.
I would think that the link would open up a new window to the target area, and not interfere with the PF such that it asks you if you want to logoff or cancel.
And not to be too much of a pain (since I'm new and all) but I can't manage to get "The Amazing Post Bar" to do anything. Some setting I need to check or uncheck?
John Allen Waldron
Lansdowne, Pennsylvania USA
i've at least looked at every place there is to make an online bot and like the Forge best.
mind if i use what you voiced about your concerns over HAL bots on the HAL page on my site? i'll credit you fully.
mind if i use what you voiced about your concerns over HAL bots on the HAL page on my site? i'll credit you fully.
RueBot, not a problem with using what I said. Go for it.
Of course I want to use something you said right here and hope you don't mind.
In an alternate universe, our dear RueBot said: "The end result in differences is that while (a Forge Bot) has a much better (chance) of making an appropriate reply, he will never learn from what's been said to him. The only response he can ever make is one I've provided and the only element of surprise for me, as the one who's written them, is which response he chooses.
The enjoyment in talking to him for me is a sense of self-satisfaction in knowing I've done my job well when he gets it right. Although that in itself is a rewarding experience, knowing how a magic trick works takes away the magic for the magician, no matter how much the audience is mystified."
I hope that doesn't make you uncomfortable RueBot but I thought it made a strong point.
This is where I'd like to hear what the Professor has to say concerning his future plans.
This is also where I'd like to hear what others think about self learning versus "supervised training". Also I think the Prof mentioned that PF does use some combination of Natural Language Processing and Cased-Based Reasoning. Since I'm very new here, that may also be somewhat new?
It does sound like the true answer is somewhere in the middle of both concepts.
Prof?
John Allen Waldron
Lansdowne, Pennsylvania USA
Of course I want to use something you said right here and hope you don't mind.
In an alternate universe, our dear RueBot said: "The end result in differences is that while (a Forge Bot) has a much better (chance) of making an appropriate reply, he will never learn from what's been said to him. The only response he can ever make is one I've provided and the only element of surprise for me, as the one who's written them, is which response he chooses.
The enjoyment in talking to him for me is a sense of self-satisfaction in knowing I've done my job well when he gets it right. Although that in itself is a rewarding experience, knowing how a magic trick works takes away the magic for the magician, no matter how much the audience is mystified."
I hope that doesn't make you uncomfortable RueBot but I thought it made a strong point.
This is where I'd like to hear what the Professor has to say concerning his future plans.
This is also where I'd like to hear what others think about self learning versus "supervised training". Also I think the Prof mentioned that PF does use some combination of Natural Language Processing and Cased-Based Reasoning. Since I'm very new here, that may also be somewhat new?
It does sound like the true answer is somewhere in the middle of both concepts.
Prof?
John Allen Waldron
Lansdowne, Pennsylvania USA
i don't mind at all, i was trying to be diplomatic. it went on to say that neither bot was better than the other.
i'd like to see bots here learn from how words are used and sentences stuctured from what they have in their learning center to make original sentences. that would beat any other bot going. the Prof has made a move toward NLP but i don't know the details.
i'm not so sure just what Siseneg will say anymore, he has over 10000 categories, but i never knew what Daisy would say, even though she didn't make sense half the time.
thanks for letting me use your material. i won't use your email addy.
it went on to say that neither bot was better than the other.i'd like to see bots here learn from how words are used and sentences stuctured from what they have in their learning center to make original sentences. that would beat any other bot going. the Prof has made a move toward NLP but i don't know the details.
i'm not so sure just what Siseneg will say anymore, he has over 10000 categories, but i never knew what Daisy would say, even though she didn't make sense half the time.
thanks for letting me use your material. i won't use your email addy.
jawaldron- Indeed, I have enough ideas to keep me building for years. The Personality Forge was at first fully and only Case-Based Reasoning. Sentences were matched to patterns and responses were selected. But gradually it's been developing into and now uses quite a bit of Natural Language Processing. Each sentence is fully processed and broken down. Each word's relationship to each other word is determined, along with the meaning of each word, the form of each word, the structure of the sentence, the object, subject, predicate. All this information is available to the AI Engine, and is all considered in the determination of responses. Responses, too, can contain various parts of previous topics, memories, and plug-ins of all sorts.
My next big plans are a deeper integration of some disperate systems that will allow even better processing of sentence fragments and ambiguous statements. This will develop into a short-term memory of the conversation that will allow greater flow of topics. Not long after that I plan to build a neural net of sorts on top of WordNet that will hold relationships and emotional impressions of any possible thing or idea. In the beginning this neural net will be shared by all PF bots, and later individualized.
Whew. In the short term there are tons of improvements I want to make in all areas of the AI, and I await only the time and/or money to do so.
My next big plans are a deeper integration of some disperate systems that will allow even better processing of sentence fragments and ambiguous statements. This will develop into a short-term memory of the conversation that will allow greater flow of topics. Not long after that I plan to build a neural net of sorts on top of WordNet that will hold relationships and emotional impressions of any possible thing or idea. In the beginning this neural net will be shared by all PF bots, and later individualized.
Whew. In the short term there are tons of improvements I want to make in all areas of the AI, and I await only the time and/or money to do so.
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