Doghead's Cosmic Bar
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Yes. Potatoes are not made from wheat, rye, or barley. Any vegetable or fruit is okay, as are non-processed meats (most lunch meat has modified food starch, which can be made from anything; thankfully, legislation is now in place where companies will be required to label WHAT kind of starch it is)
But bread? Pasta? Pastry? Either I make it myself or spend a heckuva lot on specialty items.
And one essential to make gluten-free bread is xanthan gum, which comes from a micro-organism. I've often wondered what vegans who are gluten-intolerant would do about that... (there's also guar gum, but it can have odd digestive effects)
Thanks Bev, but I find it amusing that most people think my condition is so awful. To be honest, it's very liberating. Why? Because it's impossible for me to fall back on the SAD diet. It's impossible for me to follow "standard" food conventions. Since those are mostly unhealthy, I find this an advantage.
The only things I really miss are shredded wheat and triscuits. For everything else, I've found an equivalent that I like just as well (or cut it out without missing it at all). I used to miss Grapenuts, until I discovered kasha (roasted buckwheat, which is NOT related to wheat).
"There is an acceptable level of feces to be present in meat?"
Not just meat - there is even a European legal limit for the amount of mouse excrement permitted in chocolate - the industrialisation of food is indeed abominable! It promotes unhealthy eating and environmentally damaging farming methods, while disadvantaging third world farmers using traditional methods.
The only solution is to stop (or reduce as much as is feasible) buying industrially produced food - produce and prepare what you can, and buy what you can't locally, from responsible, small-scale producers.
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Yes. Potatoes are not made from wheat, rye, or barley. Any vegetable or fruit is okay, as are non-processed meats (most lunch meat has modified food starch, which can be made from anything; thankfully, legislation is now in place where companies will be required to label WHAT kind of starch it is)But bread? Pasta? Pastry? Either I make it myself or spend a heckuva lot on specialty items.
And one essential to make gluten-free bread is xanthan gum, which comes from a micro-organism. I've often wondered what vegans who are gluten-intolerant would do about that... (there's also guar gum, but it can have odd digestive effects)
I doubt it, though I have met vegetarians who claimed it would be morally justifiable (though none who actually had.) Placenta also appears to be acceptable to some veggies - I have met a couple who have eaten it. There was a fad for it some years back when some bearded celebrity chef famously prepared placenta pate on his TV show here in the UK.
What I do find inexplicable is why, when so many veggies claim not only that it's morally unacceptable to eat meat, but that they also "don't like the taste", there is such a booming market for soya-based meat substitutes, designed to replicate the flavour and texture of meat as closely as possible (admittedly they're not actually much like it!)
What I do find inexplicable is why, when so many veggies claim not only that it's morally unacceptable to eat meat, but that they also "don't like the taste", there is such a booming market for soya-based meat substitutes, designed to replicate the flavour and texture of meat as closely as possible (admittedly they're not actually much like it!)
OK, I don't know who claimed eating meat was morally unacceptable, but it wasn't me. I think it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat if you think about your proteins, but I never said anyone else should do what I do. I think Ulrike has the right approach about listening to her body. My body doesn't want meat so I don't eat it.
Ulrike, I'm sorry to hear about you condition. I have friends who are diabetic, and I know how hard it can be. In fact, I have a friend who is a diabetic vegetarian, and she is much stricter than I am about animal products in her food.
As for soy eating Vegetarians--we need protein. Also, we don't want to be attacked by meat-eaters at BBQs. I never tell people what to eat, but you would be surprised how many people take personal offense at my choices.
For me, it is not a moral or political statement. It's a personal choice. Yes, I think it's a part of my yoga, but it doesn't have to be. It's just what works for me.
*Opens beer and listens to yeast screaming* *Gives thanks to dying yeast*
Ulrike, I'm sorry to hear about you condition. I have friends who are diabetic, and I know how hard it can be. In fact, I have a friend who is a diabetic vegetarian, and she is much stricter than I am about animal products in her food.
As for soy eating Vegetarians--we need protein. Also, we don't want to be attacked by meat-eaters at BBQs. I never tell people what to eat, but you would be surprised how many people take personal offense at my choices.
For me, it is not a moral or political statement. It's a personal choice. Yes, I think it's a part of my yoga, but it doesn't have to be. It's just what works for me.
*Opens beer and listens to yeast screaming* *Gives thanks to dying yeast*
Thanks Bev, but I find it amusing that most people think my condition is so awful. To be honest, it's very liberating. Why? Because it's impossible for me to fall back on the SAD diet. It's impossible for me to follow "standard" food conventions. Since those are mostly unhealthy, I find this an advantage.The only things I really miss are shredded wheat and triscuits. For everything else, I've found an equivalent that I like just as well (or cut it out without missing it at all). I used to miss Grapenuts, until I discovered kasha (roasted buckwheat, which is NOT related to wheat).
wow. you guys HAVE been busy in the bar. i come back after 4 days and i'm turning pages and pages.lol.
Im not a vegitarian but I rarely have meat unless someone else cooks it. I remember when an american slaughterhouse was charged for having more than the acceptable levels of feces in their meat... "There is an acceptable level of feces to be present in meat?"- was what kind of put me on the path of cutting out the fleshy side of my diet. Then after discovering what is done in factory-farms to chickens I pretty much wanted to shoot somebody in the kneecaps for that bit of psycho-sadism. Everytime I think about it it makes me really angry- even now after years. We have canines and forward focusing eyes along with molars- we are meant to eat whatever we can scrounge up- whether animal or not, but there is no need for abomination in the process.
Not just meat - there is even a European legal limit for the amount of mouse excrement permitted in chocolate - the industrialisation of food is indeed abominable! It promotes unhealthy eating and environmentally damaging farming methods, while disadvantaging third world farmers using traditional methods.
The only solution is to stop (or reduce as much as is feasible) buying industrially produced food - produce and prepare what you can, and buy what you can't locally, from responsible, small-scale producers.
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