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Pssht. In't Butterfly Dream the quintessessessential mephator fer faith, er belief, er confusion? Some damn thing.
Daedalus,
It's one thing not to let world religions tell you how to live your life. But if God exists, don't you think maybe He has the right to do so? He created you, after all.
But there's no reason for you to worry about whether you are good enough to get into Heaven, because I can tell you right now: You aren't. In order to actually be good enough for Heaven, you would have to be perfect. Why? Because God is absolutely holy and righteous. He cannot and will not tolerate sin. There's a verse that says His eyes are to pure to look on sin, but I don't have my Bible handy. It's in the minor prophets. #0001 Alpha, can you do a word search for me?
Anyway, I do remember the verse that says we are to, "Be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." (I don't remember the reference, but it's in the Gospels.) Also, "He who keeps the whole law, and yet offends in one point, he is guilty of all." Okay, so I don't remember any references. I'll get them later if anyone wants them.
To get to the point: "The wages of sin is death." This is not just physical death, but eternal separation from God in Hell. Just one sin is enough to condemn you. If you were to live a perfect life from this point on, God would still be just in sentencing you to Hell.
I could go on, but that's enough stones in the pond for one post.
It's one thing not to let world religions tell you how to live your life. But if God exists, don't you think maybe He has the right to do so? He created you, after all.
But there's no reason for you to worry about whether you are good enough to get into Heaven, because I can tell you right now: You aren't. In order to actually be good enough for Heaven, you would have to be perfect. Why? Because God is absolutely holy and righteous. He cannot and will not tolerate sin. There's a verse that says His eyes are to pure to look on sin, but I don't have my Bible handy. It's in the minor prophets. #0001 Alpha, can you do a word search for me?
Anyway, I do remember the verse that says we are to, "Be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." (I don't remember the reference, but it's in the Gospels.) Also, "He who keeps the whole law, and yet offends in one point, he is guilty of all." Okay, so I don't remember any references. I'll get them later if anyone wants them.
To get to the point: "The wages of sin is death." This is not just physical death, but eternal separation from God in Hell. Just one sin is enough to condemn you. If you were to live a perfect life from this point on, God would still be just in sentencing you to Hell.
I could go on, but that's enough stones in the pond for one post.
That's a very good point, but I don't really care. So I'm going to hell, no big deal to me because with the way things are in this day and age Heaven would have to be a lot more lonely than Hell, so I won't be alone. And eternal seperation from God in hell isn't as bad as it sounds, I mean it's not like God hangs out in your house and chats with you. It's unlikely that he even listens. When was the last time one of your prayers was answered? Where was God September 11th? If what it says in the Bible is true then all the people who died that day are in Hell. Do you want to go around telling the families of the victims that their loved ones are in Hell?
If we're all going to hell, why should we try to be good people? If perfection is all that counts, why don't we just give up before we start? I look at it this way: if we were perfect, we wouldn't need to be alive, we'd all be in heaven playing harps and sitting on clouds and crap. I think the point of being alive is to do as good as you can, you can never be perfect but you might as well try because if you don't you might as well have never lived.
jbryanc, this both answers and does not answer your question.
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/cite/staff/philosopher/butter.htm
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/cite/staff/philosopher/butter.htm
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