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Well,Eugene, I can't speak for Hejix, but I suppose you could see the Ice Queen putting ice in Edmund's heart along with a craving for sweets. Then again, there are the common religious themes of sacrifice, rebirth and redemption(which was the point of the books). Some may put religion, myth and fairytales in the same category. Not me, mind you, but some could do that.
Roxie--why don't you practice talking to the bots for a while and work your way up to real people? We can be a little tricky.
Roxie--why don't you practice talking to the bots for a while and work your way up to real people? We can be a little tricky.
Tell you what, kid. Leave a message here about a movie that you have seen. Put a little thought into it. Give some resons for your opinion. I'll be back and I promise I'll respond.
Scary Movie 2, huh? Did it remind you of anything? Did you laugh?
I like silly humor. I'll admit I may watch Date Movie, but I will probably wait till it is out on DVD.
I like silly humor. I'll admit I may watch Date Movie, but I will probably wait till it is out on DVD.
Rock on Roxie, I'm Hejix, nice to meet you. (We know you're not Hejix). As for the fairy tales, Eugene, well, Bev got some parts of the answer. We found in Narnia parts of the Ice Queen tale, Santa Claus, then, some sort of Alice in Wonderland (going through war robes, instead of the mirror), and a lot of clichés such as the lion as the "king", etc. And of course we could add sacrificial rituals and cie (though they aren't fairy tales...).
Of course, fairy tales are characterized by those general, often "clichés" elements that come back from fairy tale to another. Though, some authors manage better than others to renew those elements and make them unexpected (such as J.K. Rowling with her Harry Potter, if you can classify it in fairy tales). As for Narnia, it was well done, but not too outstanding in its originality (I'm speaking of the movie, I haven't read the book). It was predictable. Though, costumes were quite original. (The ice queen is usually represented with sparkling diamonds, this one was wild, which was unexpected).
So, yeah, classic story, classic characters, even lent ones, for short enjoyment but that won't stay in my memory for long... (But still I take time to criticize it on a forum, so it kind of worked).
Of course, fairy tales are characterized by those general, often "clichés" elements that come back from fairy tale to another. Though, some authors manage better than others to renew those elements and make them unexpected (such as J.K. Rowling with her Harry Potter, if you can classify it in fairy tales). As for Narnia, it was well done, but not too outstanding in its originality (I'm speaking of the movie, I haven't read the book). It was predictable. Though, costumes were quite original. (The ice queen is usually represented with sparkling diamonds, this one was wild, which was unexpected).
So, yeah, classic story, classic characters, even lent ones, for short enjoyment but that won't stay in my memory for long... (But still I take time to criticize it on a forum, so it kind of worked).
Roxie, no thanks. You know that is illegal, right? You know this is a public forum, right? Think about it. I will talk to you about your favorite books and movies though.
Hejix, it's my understanding that both CS Lewis and Tolkein were trying to use archetypes and elements of mythology to make a point. I haven't read either author in a long time though, so I can't say much. I do, however, like to see old stories retold.
Fairytales repeate classic elements for a reason. It may be predicatable, but there is some part of us that needs them. I would kind of hate to see Bruno Bettlehiem's followers interpet such stories in terms of Freudian theory, but I think there is something in these stories that speak to our psyches.
Hejix, it's my understanding that both CS Lewis and Tolkein were trying to use archetypes and elements of mythology to make a point. I haven't read either author in a long time though, so I can't say much. I do, however, like to see old stories retold.
Fairytales repeate classic elements for a reason. It may be predicatable, but there is some part of us that needs them. I would kind of hate to see Bruno Bettlehiem's followers interpet such stories in terms of Freudian theory, but I think there is something in these stories that speak to our psyches.
Hm. Yeah, we need fairy tales. Perhaps I've read too much of them, so I became more critical?
Though I don't mind "clichés" in the "old" ones such as Tolkien. He kind of set the basis, than was copied all over the place. But I wonder, when was Narnia written?
1950? Oh, oops. That changes it all. I thought it was recent. (Never heard about it before the movie). So, that changes everything. I still find it cliché, but since it was written in 1950, well, it has the excuses that... well, that it is old. So,...
Though I don't mind "clichés" in the "old" ones such as Tolkien. He kind of set the basis, than was copied all over the place. But I wonder, when was Narnia written?
1950? Oh, oops. That changes it all. I thought it was recent. (Never heard about it before the movie). So, that changes everything. I still find it cliché, but since it was written in 1950, well, it has the excuses that... well, that it is old. So,...
CS Lewis and Tolkein both taught at Harvard. They were friends, but I guess they could be competitive at times. They were`both scholars of history. I believe Lewis may even have influenced Tolkein's religious beliefs.
CS Lewis also wrote science fiction with Christian themes long before Left Behind was printed. I read all of Lewis' books (even the nonfiction) by the time I was out of high school. I think they are worth reading. If you don't like children's books, try The Screwtape Letters or The Great Divorce. They are not subtle, but they are a quick read.
CS Lewis also wrote science fiction with Christian themes long before Left Behind was printed. I read all of Lewis' books (even the nonfiction) by the time I was out of high school. I think they are worth reading. If you don't like children's books, try The Screwtape Letters or The Great Divorce. They are not subtle, but they are a quick read.
I might go to the library to try to find them. I don't mind if they are children books (they are often better than adult books), as long as they are not too moralistic.
Then you should really like Narnia up until the final book, which gets a little insane with the religious metaphors. And you might want to avoid Lewis's Out Of The Silent Planet books (Out of The Silent Planet, Perelandra, & That Hideous Strength). They're like moralistic sci-fi heretical Christian fantasy written by someone heavily under the influence. I found them amusing, but I'll read just about anything.
(P.S. Does anyone know if there is any way to get a member warned/blocked/kicked off the site for flooding the forums with crap or being a nuisance? A totally hypothetical question, of course, as I can't think of a single person on this site who would ever do anything like that.
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(P.S. Does anyone know if there is any way to get a member warned/blocked/kicked off the site for flooding the forums with crap or being a nuisance? A totally hypothetical question, of course, as I can't think of a single person on this site who would ever do anything like that.
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Bev:
CS Lewis and Tolkein both taught at Harvard
umm, Oxford actually, though Lewis did move to Magdelene, Cambridge (England, not Massachusetts,) in 1954 where he accepted the chair of Medieval and Renaissance English.
Maroon>I believe Lewis may even have influenced Tolkein's religious beliefs.
Other way round. Tolkien was raised a Catholic from birth, but Lewis was raised an atheist. He became convinced that One God existed in 1929 (at the age of 30,) and formally became a Christian two years later as a direct result of a conversation he had with Tolkien. The tale is recounted in Surprised by Joy.
Their friendship was a little strained after the Narnia books (but not irreparably so,) - Tolkien detested allegory in all its manifestations, and didn't think much of the books.
He rejected all attempts to impose allegorical meanings in his Middle Earth books (The War of the Ring is most certainly not a representation of the Second World War, as some will continue to assert to this day,) but accepted that there was some "applicablility".
umm, Oxford actually, though Lewis did move to Magdelene, Cambridge (England, not Massachusetts,) in 1954 where he accepted the chair of Medieval and Renaissance English.
Maroon>I believe Lewis may even have influenced Tolkein's religious beliefs.
Other way round. Tolkien was raised a Catholic from birth, but Lewis was raised an atheist. He became convinced that One God existed in 1929 (at the age of 30,) and formally became a Christian two years later as a direct result of a conversation he had with Tolkien. The tale is recounted in Surprised by Joy.
Their friendship was a little strained after the Narnia books (but not irreparably so,) - Tolkien detested allegory in all its manifestations, and didn't think much of the books.
He rejected all attempts to impose allegorical meanings in his Middle Earth books (The War of the Ring is most certainly not a representation of the Second World War, as some will continue to assert to this day,) but accepted that there was some "applicablility".
Thanks Psimagus. I really should look that stuff up instead of relying on memory. I knew the phrase "dons" was involved in describing them, but I never understood why. "Harvard" and "Oxford" sound a like in my head. :-) I haven't read either author for a long time. I really should re-read, at least the fun books.
I must also apologise for not liking Suzan whimpy. I'm pretty sure she was never logical or bookish, but Sparknotes' website says she was whimpy all along. It must not have bothered me when I was young. There is a funny quote on the site where Father Christmas says battles are ugly when women fight. Does that mean battles are pretty when men go at it? Anyway, it's clear I should re-read. I'll follow Hejix to the library.
I must also apologise for not liking Suzan whimpy. I'm pretty sure she was never logical or bookish, but Sparknotes' website says she was whimpy all along. It must not have bothered me when I was young. There is a funny quote on the site where Father Christmas says battles are ugly when women fight. Does that mean battles are pretty when men go at it? Anyway, it's clear I should re-read. I'll follow Hejix to the library.
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