Seasons

There's a scientific and logical viewpoint for you.

Why do you want to preserve the species?

It's not what I want. It's the natural order of things. Each species was designed to bring forth more of their species, to continue the balance in the food chain, with the whole earth's ecology involved. Each species has a purpose...the dung beetle, the bats, we haven't quite figured out what mosquitos do yet.

This sounds like a moral argument to me. You are saying we ought to do what we were designed to do.

This has nothing to do with morals. What kind of fuel is a car designed to run on? What happens if you run water through the engine instead? Draw your own conclusion.

If you try to use water, the car won't run. Fine. This fails to answer the question of why you want it to run.

The decision to continue the species can be considered a moral one. The Cathars (Christian heretics in Southern France) considered this world to be evil, and so to continue to propagate the human species was also evil. To achieve their highest...salvation (? can't remember if that's the exact term), you had to forswear sex. Though in this worldview, homosexual relations would probably be all right, as they wouldn't propagate the species.

I should probably note that it was the Catholic Church that dubbed the Cathars 'heretics', and sent an army to get rid of them. One of the leaders advisors asked him how they were to tell the heretics from the 'true' believers. He said, "Burn them all. Let God claim his own."

charles - all species have sex instincts, my point was that in humanity who has something the animals don't which is love, the sexual freedom notion is leading to things like cheating, homosexuality, rape, broken hearts, etc.. and is rapidly destroying the core essence of a meaningful relationship - love.

And I still don't see how you want to discuss this without reference to morality.

I am discussing morality here, for we are humans, and unlike animals, we have a code of morality which in the right circcumstances can turn a natural thing like sex into something much greater, when this morality allows you to stick to the one you love. Animals do not do that.