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My point exactly.

Eugene, if one part of the bible is proven wrong by science, then, unless that was an error such as that which Corwin described, then, by my reasoning, the whole book is wrong. If god himself dictated what to put in the bible, then wouldn't it be entirely true?

And in answer to the heaven question: No. I have never believed in god, for starters. Another reason is that unless they have hideously low standards up there, I bet only a couple hundred of the people living today would make it up there, judging by all that the bible declares as wrong.

Well STRMKirby, you're also positing that only someone who comports themselves throughout life and in every instance in accordance with the literal directions of the Bible (such as they exist) could go to heaven. Now who's making stuff up?

I never said you were making stuff up...

Anyway, who are you to judge what heaven's(if there is one, which I think there isn't) standards are?

Crab, I'm confused. I thought Heaven was a part of the Jewish faith. Or is this just a personal belief of yours?

STRMKirby the bible's truth is not in the historical facts. It's not who lived when and in what circumstances. It's about HOW that person lived.

STRMKirby: I wasn't. I was challenging your notion that only 200 people would go to heaven.

Corwin: I was speaking as me, not representing anything about Judaism. In general, I speak for myself unless I specifically describe something as a Jewish tenet. But no, there's not really a Heaven in Judaism with the exception of in some medieval (read: influenced by Christianity) and mystical writing, which does not have the force of law or divine speech. There *is* the notion of a world-to-come, but I don't think that's really very similar at all to Christian Heaven or Islamic Paradise, for instance. And it's pretty hard to get kicked out of the world-to-come.

For the record, I believe in God but as far as I've been able to tell, my view of God isn't covered in any conventional religion and would be rather annoying to describe in detail. It has a lot to do with the way I think reality is set up. Anyway, I'm not stupid enough to assume I'm getting into heaven, or whatever you wanna call it. I'm not assuming I'll go to hell either, but it doesn't really matter what I think because I'm not the one making the decision. For all I know, maybe when the time comes God will be having the godly equivalent of a bad hair day and stick me in hell when if he'd been in a good mood I woulda gone to heaven.

What I find interesting is that the Bible lists all these things you shouldn't do, and then says that no matter how much you sin you'll be forgiven. I think this could (and most likely has) caused some pretty stupid behavior on our part. "Well gee I really SHOULDN'T kill my husband, but I'm gonna be forgiven anyway, so why not?" Does this mean the unbelievers and idol-worshippers and whatever else are gonna be forgiven for being infidels? Oh gee, how the medieval Christian church would've loved me.

Ok, I have no idea what my point was but Liddora's been distracting me and I just got a bug I should prolly report.

Hi guys,

I haven't given up on you, but I'm having a little trouble accessing a reliable connection. My home computer is just too slow for this site. I will post again in this forum tomorrow probably.

the weather here in minnesota is just plain wierd. one day it is cold next day it is a heat wave. I know the saying "if you don't like the weather here just wait as it will change" but this is ridicous.

You should try Oregon...I was there briefly one winter, and every 2 minutes the weather would change. And it was all BAD weather. Rain, sleet, snow, you name it. Had to stop under an overpass once, it was so impossible to see.

Hey! I live in Oregon!

And it's not like that here...