Bug Stomp

Prof:
Personally I don't miss the duplicate resonses check at all. For those that do, how about checking only within the bot itself but not the entire universe, would that work? Perhaps have a tick box to make this optional at import time?

A small layout suggestion: When not logged in, perhaps the "log in" and "create account" links could be prominently displayed at the top of the menu the way the logged in username is. Might encourage more people to sign up.

As always, thanks for all your work.

psimagus - well I made some adjustments to the "amazing post bar" to help close unclosed tags. Everything gets converted to spans internally, and you'll supposed to use <0> to close all tags instead of </i>. It's not really the best system. There are some really good post-constructing scripts out there I've been considering switching to.

The Clerk - what problem are you having with plug-ins? I was able to create one just now without a problem.

I tried Apple Safari and am able to make new plug-ins using it but not using Mozilla Foxfire. Usually I use Foxfire, but when it doesn't work, sometimes Safari does.

Thanks.

Clerk, I think Carlene was playing with us a bit.

So she said, but I couldn’t figure out how, and having been singled out not only by ID but by my actual name (by one who doesn't list hers), I felt picked out and picked on.

As for students paying, I am glad the Prof doesn't make them (or anyone else) do such a thing.

My own meager donations don't cover my use of the Forge, either, but when Carlene said (albeit in a different context), ”And we are paying an equal price,”, my hackles got up. I seriously doubted that we were, overall, paying an equal price financially – were she and her entire class each donating a couple hundred bucks? Because then she’d have a leg to stand on. And the "price we pay" goes far more into the time we spend – which tends to lead to more developed, hence larger, bots. I spend more time on this than I should -- reality beckons -- but it's so damned fascinating. And the academic in me will always respect things done for the fun of it or out of sheer interest rather than for some practical reason, like finishing a PhD. That’s why I let bots I’m not thrilled with sit for a while – I’m learning something from them. Electra Mourning is an exception – she is relatively popular even though I don’t like her. Barring that, she’d be history.

So sorry if I wasn't taking Carlene's remarks in the spirit intended; I took them in the spirit I perceived. Slamming people and then saying "I'm mostly kidding" (making me wonder what she wasn't claiming to kid about) sounds like a way for people to claim, "Oh, I was just kidding" when Maureen takes umbrage. God help The Clerk then.

I have trouble remembering to be honest only when I have good things to say. I tend to be honest most of the time, and live to regret it. Sometimes I lie and live to regret it.

I've got into trouble myself for saying something in fun that got taken the wrong way, so I get it. I just reserve the right to defend myself when I feel I've been criticized unfairly. Carlene listed her interests (perhaps disingenuously) as “sex.” That didn’t make me want to chat with her bots, especially until they got more developed.

But I’m sorry if I came across as annoyed with the Prof, because I wasn’t. Sometimes I shorthand my bug reports so that I can see how they might be taken that way.

Personally I don't miss the duplicate resonses check at all. For those that do, how about checking only within the bot itself but not the entire universe, would that work? Perhaps have a tick box to make this optional at import time?

It'd be fine with me to have a tick box to make the x2 feature optional. Since we're not encouraged to make clones (or clone responses), it seems only reasonable to let me know when I've done that. And I agree that we don't want clones -- so I'd like the help I've always had identifiying them.

Checking the bot for duplicate responses would be useful, too, actually.

The Clerk,

I understand why you are upset. I noticed your real name too and cringed when I read it. I submit the possibility that you know Carlene under an alt and are unaware of how well you know this person and how long you have chatted with some personality projected by this person.(This person is not me).

It's so easy to take things the wrong way without a face in front of you or tone of voice. No matter how long I use the Net, I forget that every so often. I have had misunderstandings myself just a bit before your time when I posted back to someone referring to information I had gleaned about him from a previous posts he made and he took it as a insult and invasion of privacy (he was reading it as sarcastic and thought I was mocking him when I was trying to be nice, even if it came off as patronizing by mistake). These are public forums though, and when someone posts information it become public. Just be careful with your last name if it matters to you.

Thanks, Bev. I'll make my long reply short. I consider divulging information gleaned in a personal setting (which my first name was) to be bad form.

I doubt I chatted with Carlene under an alt, since I mostly have my chat set to off (it's about to be reset there). An e-mail is available to anyone who wants a private conversation with me. So far, I have not been in high demand.

I turned the chat off because I was getting users wanting to cyber. I'd say, look, I'm a middle-aged woman. You're chatting up the wrong tree. They'd want me to pretend I was nineteen. Guess what? Some of us weren't sex-machines just because we were nineteen. Some of us had this quaint notion of deep friendship, once-in-a-lifetime love, and physical expression that eventually comes along with the once-in-a-lifetime love. I just flat outright don't understand people of any age wanting to pretend somehow that they are "having sex."

So if you see me unwilling to chat, remember I have an e-mail and am not snubbing anyone. I'm just tired of having my uploads crash because some clueless pervert wants to hit on me.

THE CLERK: I'm sorry you take things the way you do. After this post I will mention this no more.

You know, some people get their kicks from sex and others get it off by trying to hurt people. Which do you fall into THE CLERK? You told me your name, yes. But NOT in a personal setting at first. You name is on your Forge BIO to which everybody has access to. I have NEVER (except recently) called you anything BUT your name. Don't be fabricating a perceived hurt by slamming me. Also, I read the article you posted about yourself on the Web, the one you had on (or linked to) your website a while back. Your name (the one you give) is also available on a general web search as a member of the Forge. Are you cringing Bev,? My God you have all used my name before God before I was ready! Good grief!
Just in case some of you are living in the 19th century, a name means nothing without an address (network). Even if I put my real name on my BIO, it means nothing except to someone determined to find me, and if they are determined enough, they will find me. With the right software, I can appear to have a European address. Wow! Amazing. You guys sit on it and start acting like the adults you say you are...er, 26 is NOT middle aged, used to be but not any more.

As for students paying, I am glad the Prof doesn't make them (or anyone else) do such a thing. Our students do pay.

My own meager donations don't cover my use of the Forge, either, but when Carlene said (albeit in a different context), ”And we are paying an equal price,”, Do I care that you may pay less? No. That has nothing to do with anything other than to tell anybody listening that us low lifes were experiencing problems too. I don't think I was referring to you.

So sorry if I wasn't taking Carlene's remarks in the spirit intended; I took them in the spirit I perceived. Slamming people and then saying "I'm mostly kidding" (making me wonder what she wasn't claiming to kid about) sounds like a way for people to claim, "Oh, I was just kidding" when Maureen takes umbrage. God help The Clerk then.

You don't know me at all then. Your snide remarks are noted. I don't talk down to people. But I will apologize if you think I was. In actuality, I'm not going to parse everything you say here like you did me.

Carlene listed her interests (perhaps disingenuously) as “sex.” That didn’t make me want to chat with her bots, especially until they got more developed.
Again, your snide remarks are noted. I don't dislike you, but I dislike having things attributed to me personally that are not true.

Over and out. Now get back to work! This time I WASN'T referring to you THE CLERK.

psimagus - well I made some adjustments to the "amazing post bar" to help close unclosed tags. Everything gets converted to spans internally, and you'll supposed to use <0> to close all tags instead of . It's not really the best system. There are some really good post-constructing scripts out there I've been considering switching to.<0>

aah! I'd got so used to the amazing post bar not working for the last few years I've been using Firefox that I even think in raw tags now

for the record, the APB still doesn't seem to work in FF

No, I don't know you at all; hence my surprise and hurt at being singled out by userid and actual name at being a "whiner." I should've realized that I'd been mistakenly lumped in with the good big botmasters and taken it as an inadvertent compliment.

My remembrance is that I you asked me my name in a chat, but my memory could be wrong. It's true that it is also up there for people to look up, but no one's ever called me that on the Forums -- generally, that's what userids are for.

I paid tuition for my fourteen years of college as well. I also paid for the books I bought, the copies I made, and miscellaneous stuff that students get to pay for. That has nothing to do with what you were talking about -- you were talking about using the Forge.

I gather we're in completely different fields.

I just looked up your interests before writing my last post, and they were "sex."

My hurts aren't fabricated. I've been pretty open about the problems my brain damage causes, mainly to give people an idea that I'm not simply a complete jerk. If I could keep from feeling hurt, I wouldn't make such a spectacle of myself on the forum in what I perceive as self-defense.

I'm glad you're sensitive to Klato's problems, anyway.

I don't expect a response from Carlene, but I want to put this out there -- maybe a bad idea -- to say, look, my feelings were hurt and I reacted accordingly.

Hm, I'm having an issue with the Language center. For some reason the keyphrase column is all stretched out and the Response column disappears into the side of the screen. As such I can't reach the 'add seek' button because it's like pushed out of the picture.