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I know it is just terrible. The scarey thing is the possiblity that all the warm and weird weather could be caused by global warming.
Ok, new mini-discussion here in this all-so-inactive Seasons forum... Messagers! Use 'em? Post your usernames. Don't use 'em? Talk about somethign else 
AIM: VA3MWL
Yahoo: MasterMWL
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AIM: VA3MWL
Yahoo: MasterMWL
ICQ: 37226599
MSN: MasterMWL@hotmail.com
hey here is a huge surpise...
yahoo: paintpatricia
i have accounts on aol, and icq but i never use them, because freaks who put me on their buddy will not leave me alone!
yahoo: paintpatricia
i have accounts on aol, and icq but i never use them, because freaks who put me on their buddy will not leave me alone!
Continuing an out of place conversation from Bug Stomp...
When you refer to multiple people at VBThunder it is something of a misnomer, because it's just Ben Baird. He's a one man show. Actually he received recommendations for making his website compatible with Netscape which would be fairly easy to impliment; he just hasn't had time to update it since April 9, 2001. He is working on a major overhaul right now but probably won't finish it until this summer.
I just thought the link was funny. He loves to get e-mail from Microsoft bashers because they usually have extremely emotional and illogical arguments. I don't know how he would respond to your line of reasoning, but personally I don't know enough about the subject to coherently discuss it.
Concerning the fact that every company tries to dominate the market: It is inevitable for starters. If a business is trying to make money, it will naturally attempt to promote itself and grow as much as possible. If we boycotted every company that did this, we would have to boycott everyone. Personally, I think the correct way to topple a monopoly is via competition. At one time there were government granted monopolies; competition was outlawed. That system is inefficient. Efficiency comes from a free market. But a free market requires non-interference.
When you refer to multiple people at VBThunder it is something of a misnomer, because it's just Ben Baird. He's a one man show. Actually he received recommendations for making his website compatible with Netscape which would be fairly easy to impliment; he just hasn't had time to update it since April 9, 2001. He is working on a major overhaul right now but probably won't finish it until this summer.
I just thought the link was funny. He loves to get e-mail from Microsoft bashers because they usually have extremely emotional and illogical arguments. I don't know how he would respond to your line of reasoning, but personally I don't know enough about the subject to coherently discuss it.
Concerning the fact that every company tries to dominate the market: It is inevitable for starters. If a business is trying to make money, it will naturally attempt to promote itself and grow as much as possible. If we boycotted every company that did this, we would have to boycott everyone. Personally, I think the correct way to topple a monopoly is via competition. At one time there were government granted monopolies; competition was outlawed. That system is inefficient. Efficiency comes from a free market. But a free market requires non-interference.
Actually, that last bit wasn't *quite* right. A free market requires non-interference except for that interference which keeps the market free. There are destabilizing forces in economics and monopoly is one of them. I favor making Microsoft share its source code with programmers, with the caveat of course that it's infringement to build an operating system using it.
But to go to what Sir Rahz was saying, the miracle of capitalism is that underlying motives are irrelevant because the result of "greed" in a free market is a net gain for all, which you cannot guarantee in any other system we've discovered. In that sense, it is a very good thing that a corporation seeks to increase its profits, and it is an irrelevant thing whether the employees of that corporation are motivated by thirst for money, desire to make a great product, or desire to help cure malaria, or all three.
But to go to what Sir Rahz was saying, the miracle of capitalism is that underlying motives are irrelevant because the result of "greed" in a free market is a net gain for all, which you cannot guarantee in any other system we've discovered. In that sense, it is a very good thing that a corporation seeks to increase its profits, and it is an irrelevant thing whether the employees of that corporation are motivated by thirst for money, desire to make a great product, or desire to help cure malaria, or all three.
True, it felt kinda' strange talking about this sorta' thing in a bugs forum... I shoulda' taken' the initiative to reply elsewhere...
Crab, please explain how "greed in a free market is a net gain for all"...
Eugene, if Ben needs any tips as to how to go about making a web page compatible, I'm always happy to share my experience. The message on his web site is pretty provocative, crude and wrongfully misleading. If you think he'd be interested in responding to my message, feel free to send it to him. I thought of forwarding a copy to him, but soon came to the conclusion that it would be fighting fire with fire. The guy has an "ihateben" email address already set up for receiving flames - sounds like a strange character. Some people just get a kick out of pissing certain groups of people off I guess...
Crab, please explain how "greed in a free market is a net gain for all"...
Eugene, if Ben needs any tips as to how to go about making a web page compatible, I'm always happy to share my experience. The message on his web site is pretty provocative, crude and wrongfully misleading. If you think he'd be interested in responding to my message, feel free to send it to him. I thought of forwarding a copy to him, but soon came to the conclusion that it would be fighting fire with fire. The guy has an "ihateben" email address already set up for receiving flames - sounds like a strange character. Some people just get a kick out of pissing certain groups of people off I guess...
I understand that an absolute hands off policy leads to anarchy, but I don't know if anti-trust legislation is the best policy. I don't like a lot of things about Microsoft, but complaints about them aside, it does make a certain amount of sense to have a standardized operating system. If you have multiple operating systems, they at least have to be compatible with one another, thus conforming to some sort of standard. Or they should, so that software can be used across the board. Imagine if every manufacturer of CD players used a unique CD format.
Concerning Ben Baird, he really does believe that Netscape is an inferior product. Actually, that has been my experience as well. When I have used computers that only had Netscape on them, I have consistently had more problems. Perhaps there are other factors playing into these results; I don't know. Explorer freezes way too often as it is. But I think Ben Baird was prompted to write that message partly as a result of receiving emails from people asking why his site wouldn't render properly in Netscape. Some of these people were militant Microsoft haters who didn't believe anyone should use Explorer just on the principle of the thing. I think his motivation in setting up the ihateben address was partly to show that he wouldn't take such messages seriously, partly to sort such messages into one place (he gets a ton of email) and partly just to be funny. I will send him your message; he loves replying to them and will probably appreciate someone with an actual argument.
Incidently, he doesn't like Microsoft much either because of the changes they made in Visual Basic.
Concerning Ben Baird, he really does believe that Netscape is an inferior product. Actually, that has been my experience as well. When I have used computers that only had Netscape on them, I have consistently had more problems. Perhaps there are other factors playing into these results; I don't know. Explorer freezes way too often as it is. But I think Ben Baird was prompted to write that message partly as a result of receiving emails from people asking why his site wouldn't render properly in Netscape. Some of these people were militant Microsoft haters who didn't believe anyone should use Explorer just on the principle of the thing. I think his motivation in setting up the ihateben address was partly to show that he wouldn't take such messages seriously, partly to sort such messages into one place (he gets a ton of email) and partly just to be funny. I will send him your message; he loves replying to them and will probably appreciate someone with an actual argument.
Incidently, he doesn't like Microsoft much either because of the changes they made in Visual Basic.
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