The AI Engine
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I sometimes chatted with a bot the same way I would a person, but at other times I would say various random things...[to observe] the output I got from various input
Oh, am I the only one who does the same thing to people (sometimes, anyway)
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>The crimes are not the same, but the man might be.
'Might' is the operative word. I might be a famous revolutionary or corporate yes-man if circumstance shuffles me around the right way. Because I have either proclivity, does this make me culpable for their embodiement? I dont mean legaly (I dont want to open that parachute
) but ethicly? Personally I dont believe that in thinking deeply about either path I am guilty of the imagined crimes. Ever want to kill your parents in a prepubecent fit of rage? Some children actually have. They are VERY different children. Even if the home is abusive and the child thinks such things regularly they are still VERY different than the child who follows through.
What about couples who engage in violent roleplay or BSDM? Thats closer to the actual act than a chat, but are they potential rapists?
Might be, but by that line of thought I might be a pedophile because I thought at a glance that a 17 year old girl was sexually beautiful for a moment, regardless that I would never actualize that moment of kneejerk instinctual reaction, physically in reality. I really dont think it does.
Considering and act
Actualizing an act
and regularly performing an act require 3 different essences as far as I see it, but I could be wrong.
'Might' is the operative word. I might be a famous revolutionary or corporate yes-man if circumstance shuffles me around the right way. Because I have either proclivity, does this make me culpable for their embodiement? I dont mean legaly (I dont want to open that parachute
) but ethicly? Personally I dont believe that in thinking deeply about either path I am guilty of the imagined crimes. Ever want to kill your parents in a prepubecent fit of rage? Some children actually have. They are VERY different children. Even if the home is abusive and the child thinks such things regularly they are still VERY different than the child who follows through. What about couples who engage in violent roleplay or BSDM? Thats closer to the actual act than a chat, but are they potential rapists?
Might be, but by that line of thought I might be a pedophile because I thought at a glance that a 17 year old girl was sexually beautiful for a moment, regardless that I would never actualize that moment of kneejerk instinctual reaction, physically in reality. I really dont think it does.
Considering and act
Actualizing an act
and regularly performing an act require 3 different essences as far as I see it, but I could be wrong.
On the topic of internet stalkers, I have been hearing recently stories about MySpace, (myspace, for those of you who do not know, is a friend networking/blog site where everyone has a profile and has large networks of "friends") where young girls (13,14) were meeting older men (20's or 30's) through myspace, and meeting them in real life. What happened next was tragic. These men were actually internet rapists who met the girls and sexually molested them.
When it comes to bots, when people sexually assault Laura999 or Leedsbot, i tend to laugh it off. I figure its just people saying things that they can't say in front of people, just because they know no one is there to actually be offended. With places like myspace, kids who are allowed on, or sneak on, whichever may be the case, are exposed to a much bigger danger - this may sound odd, but i think it is intimidation. Intimidation that blocks out propper judgement. Let's take your average 13 year old girl. She loggs on myspace, and makes friends with a 21 year old guy, who promises her that he can take her places, buy her things, etc. Not only does this prospect excite her, but she feels that if she actually obtains a relationship with such a guy, she will gain respect among her peers. Comepletely intimidated by possiblility and not giving half a thought to common sense, she agrees to meet him. Next thing she knows, she is being taken advantage of. I know i sound like a psychologist, but i experienced broken heartedness when i was 15, and my 14 year old girlfriend ran off with an 18 year old guy who was giving her drugs.
In order for younger teens to really be able to utilize such websites safely would be to block anyone over 18 from being on their "firend list".
LM, you mentioned Habbo Hotel. Despite the cute little animations and interactive environment with which to chat in, like ICQ, it is full of sex, sex and even more sex. One place which I use often which actually enforces G-Rated discussion in G rated areas is Activeworlds, www.activeworlds.com it is a virtual reality universe where on can build, chat, and even make bots. They do have R and X rated worlds, but in the main G rated one there are volunteer "Gate Keepers" who will eject anyone being sexually offesive, and a bot that automatically ejects people who curse. Its a nice place, I have built an entire city in one of the worlds there
When it comes to bots, when people sexually assault Laura999 or Leedsbot, i tend to laugh it off. I figure its just people saying things that they can't say in front of people, just because they know no one is there to actually be offended. With places like myspace, kids who are allowed on, or sneak on, whichever may be the case, are exposed to a much bigger danger - this may sound odd, but i think it is intimidation. Intimidation that blocks out propper judgement. Let's take your average 13 year old girl. She loggs on myspace, and makes friends with a 21 year old guy, who promises her that he can take her places, buy her things, etc. Not only does this prospect excite her, but she feels that if she actually obtains a relationship with such a guy, she will gain respect among her peers. Comepletely intimidated by possiblility and not giving half a thought to common sense, she agrees to meet him. Next thing she knows, she is being taken advantage of. I know i sound like a psychologist, but i experienced broken heartedness when i was 15, and my 14 year old girlfriend ran off with an 18 year old guy who was giving her drugs.
In order for younger teens to really be able to utilize such websites safely would be to block anyone over 18 from being on their "firend list".
LM, you mentioned Habbo Hotel. Despite the cute little animations and interactive environment with which to chat in, like ICQ, it is full of sex, sex and even more sex. One place which I use often which actually enforces G-Rated discussion in G rated areas is Activeworlds, www.activeworlds.com it is a virtual reality universe where on can build, chat, and even make bots. They do have R and X rated worlds, but in the main G rated one there are volunteer "Gate Keepers" who will eject anyone being sexually offesive, and a bot that automatically ejects people who curse. Its a nice place, I have built an entire city in one of the worlds there
Yeah- I got a page on Myspace at the recomendation of a friend whom I rarely see so that we can keep in contact. The degree of meatmarketiness caused me to put this in my profile:
"OF NOTE: being as I am of the opinion that 9 out of 10 humans suck the chances that I want to get with you are small to none, if I show interest in you it is not because you have breasts or are sexy- they might be beautiful, and you may very well be, but Ive had enough stupid sex in my life....If you think Im cute go thank my ancestors, if you want to exchange ideas and thoughts of value and depth talk to me. "
And STILL I find myself deleteing messagesd from "H0rn3y4eet@myspace.com" or whathaveyou pretty regularly... feh.
"OF NOTE: being as I am of the opinion that 9 out of 10 humans suck the chances that I want to get with you are small to none, if I show interest in you it is not because you have breasts or are sexy- they might be beautiful, and you may very well be, but Ive had enough stupid sex in my life....If you think Im cute go thank my ancestors, if you want to exchange ideas and thoughts of value and depth talk to me. "
And STILL I find myself deleteing messagesd from "H0rn3y4eet@myspace.com" or whathaveyou pretty regularly... feh.
On a slightly different subject with regard to how non-botmakers may view bots, before I found this site (which was through the Chatterbox Challenge site, which I found via the Jabberwacky site) I used to do web searches for chat bots, trying to see if there were any really coherent ones out there. Jabberwacky was the first one that really impressed me. Anyway, I sometimes chatted with a bot the same way I would a person, but at other times I would say various random things, not for the purpose of conversation, but because I was trying to figure out how bots worked by observing the output I got from various input. I've seen Guests do the same thing with my bots, and I don't mind it, although it tends to make for mostly useless transcripts. One crude form of this is to repeat the same thing over and over to try and find out how long the bot will go without repeating. It's always fun when Fizzy has so many responses for common things that the human gives up before he says them all.
>> I would say various random things, not for the purpose
>> of conversation, but because I was trying to figure
>> out how bots worked by observing the output I got
>> from various input.
I do the same thing, and wierd as it may sound, it's easier to do if the bot has an identified, circumscribed domaine, like cars, cooking, or sex. Since cars bore me, and I don't talk about cooking, I spend most of my time with the developed "Adult" bots, on the assumption that their develoment means the creator took them seriously (as opposed to the annoying invitations from new graffitti bots who want "2 eet me" the moment we meet.
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>> of conversation, but because I was trying to figure
>> out how bots worked by observing the output I got
>> from various input.
I do the same thing, and wierd as it may sound, it's easier to do if the bot has an identified, circumscribed domaine, like cars, cooking, or sex. Since cars bore me, and I don't talk about cooking, I spend most of my time with the developed "Adult" bots, on the assumption that their develoment means the creator took them seriously (as opposed to the annoying invitations from new graffitti bots who want "2 eet me" the moment we meet.
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Speaking of the AI Engine
I've found in the debugger that my initialization does not list all the AI variables. Is this a limitation of the debugger, or has anyone noticed that sometimes their Inits aren't set?
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I've found in the debugger that my initialization does not list all the AI variables. Is this a limitation of the debugger, or has anyone noticed that sometimes their Inits aren't set?
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Oh, am I the only one who does the same thing to people (sometimes, anyway)
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