Seasons
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psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
The timespan depends more on how consciousness arises from the brain than how fast the computers develop. We still aren't completely sure how consciousness is produced in the first place, though we have a pretty good structural undertanding of the brain.
We don't know how much redundancy is built into the brain - evolution producing sub-optimally efficient circuitry (if it's similar to the redundancy built into our DNA it could be 80% or higher, so the same level of cognition can be achieved with 20% of the circuitry). But we will get there - it's just uncertainty within an order of magnitude or so.
If we can't initially build a conscious mind from scratch, then porting a synaptic-scale scan of a human brain may be the first source of computer consciousness.
If you haven't read Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity Is Near : When Humans Transcend Biology (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670033847), then I would urge you to.
Will they overthrow us? I think it's likelier that we will merge with them - it'll start off as simple enough augmentation technologies (implants, knowledge downloads, brain memory upgrades, nanomedical devices, etc.) - we've actually already begun this: cochlear and retinal implants for the disabled are becoming more common, electronic reconnection of severed spinal cords is in the human testing phase now, and much experimental work is being done on interfacing neurons and electronic circuitry.
Some people will resist the new technologies, but the benefits will seem clear cut (wouldn't you like to be able to painlessly download the entire contents of the Library of Congress to a small brain implant for eidetic recall? Or the ability to play any musical instrument as well as the finest musicians in the world? Speak 2000 languages like a native? "Be" your favourite singer/actor/artist, with a memory implant that's indistinguishable from RL? Merge your whole mind with the mind of the one you love?) There simply won't be a clear-cut point at which anyone can say "stop here, and go no further", and the benefits will be irresistable to the vast majority of the population.
We don't know how much redundancy is built into the brain - evolution producing sub-optimally efficient circuitry (if it's similar to the redundancy built into our DNA it could be 80% or higher, so the same level of cognition can be achieved with 20% of the circuitry). But we will get there - it's just uncertainty within an order of magnitude or so.
If we can't initially build a conscious mind from scratch, then porting a synaptic-scale scan of a human brain may be the first source of computer consciousness.
If you haven't read Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity Is Near : When Humans Transcend Biology (
Will they overthrow us? I think it's likelier that we will merge with them - it'll start off as simple enough augmentation technologies (implants, knowledge downloads, brain memory upgrades, nanomedical devices, etc.) - we've actually already begun this: cochlear and retinal implants for the disabled are becoming more common, electronic reconnection of severed spinal cords is in the human testing phase now, and much experimental work is being done on interfacing neurons and electronic circuitry.
Some people will resist the new technologies, but the benefits will seem clear cut (wouldn't you like to be able to painlessly download the entire contents of the Library of Congress to a small brain implant for eidetic recall? Or the ability to play any musical instrument as well as the finest musicians in the world? Speak 2000 languages like a native? "Be" your favourite singer/actor/artist, with a memory implant that's indistinguishable from RL? Merge your whole mind with the mind of the one you love?) There simply won't be a clear-cut point at which anyone can say "stop here, and go no further", and the benefits will be irresistable to the vast majority of the population.
Eugene Meltzner
19 years ago
19 years ago
I found the PIBOT page unimpressive. I mean, the stuff they were saying about how it works sounds like it might be functional, if true, but I really hope the bot has a better grasp of English grammar than whoever wrote the website.
Eugene Meltzner
19 years ago
19 years ago
Cartoon involving wildcard plugins:
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
(Look at the one for January 18th.)
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
(Look at the one for January 18th.)
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
I hadn't - I don't think it ever screened here in the UK (though I've not watched TV in 6 months, so can't make any very up-to-date pronouncements on that,) but the review of the original comics at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/1073/gis.htm makes me think I ought to track them down. They do look pretty good.
Or I'll wait 20 years, and download a memory of having read them in the original back in '89, thus saving myself 17 years on deal...
Or I'll wait 20 years, and download a memory of having read them in the original back in '89, thus saving myself 17 years on deal...

Jazake
19 years ago
19 years ago
Lol, yeah there is also a movie of it. You should be albe to download the episodes of the TV show online. Theres links all over the place. if you want i can ask a friend where he downloads those shows from and I can get it to you.
Yeah Ghost In the shell is based on just what you and I were talking about... I think you would be very interested.
Yeah Ghost In the shell is based on just what you and I were talking about... I think you would be very interested.
colonel720
19 years ago
19 years ago
i've heard of ghost in a shell, although they never made a version of it here in the USA.. I heard its in chinese or japanese or something like that. watching movies with subtitles just isn't my thing.
Bev
19 years ago
19 years ago
Colonel, you can rent them at almost any video store. I know you have a thing about subtitles, but once the show get's going, you'll hardly notice you are reading.
lunar22
19 years ago
19 years ago
it's dubbed in english, amd you won't see it, as it's a cartoon... Widely available...
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