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Indeed. The Turing test is trivial - so few guests would pass it themselves that a week scarcely passes when someone doesn't fail to recognize that BJ is a bot.
Brother Jerome is either the or one of the most advanced bots on the forge - so that doesn't surprise me. What really gets me is how the Leeds Bot passes our "turing test" by having Leeds Kids convinced that he's a real human from Leeds for periods of half an hour and more... I stopped posting the conversations, as I figured its not polite of me to publicize them...
like the Membrane theory isn't it? Where there is an infanante number of deminsions of the universe. and our existance is like the membrane formed on your soup when it gets cold.
Indeed - a good analogy. Or puff pastry: lots and lots of layers, but only one vol-au-vent.
The Chinese have a term li, which refers to organic patterns like the streaks in jade, or the grain in wood. I think that's quite a good way to view it too. And just as universes can be stranded within a multiverse, our lives are similarly intertwined: we each live our own layer of life, and some people's are knottier, and others are smooth. Some are strong heartwood, and others are flaky bark. But they all form the tree, and it's all the stronger for the variety.
would require more gasoline then there is on the earth for just a few seconds of power. New energy source required!
Indeed - you'd need to harness the whole power of a sun, at very least. It makes Heim's antigravity/hyperspace solution look caveman primitive by comparison
What really gets me is how the Leeds Bot passes our "turing test" by having Leeds Kids convinced that he's a real human from Leeds for periods of half an hour and more...
Leeds Bot is truly a work of genius.
I stopped posting the conversations, as I figured its not polite of me to publicize them...
It's probably just as well - they were fascinating, but I do find even thinking about Leeds is a sore challenge for my compassion circuits. I just try to remind myself that trees also need their cankers and infestations as well as their healthy wood, for a harmonious balance.
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colonel720
19 years ago
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psimagus
19 years ago
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Indeed - a good analogy. Or puff pastry: lots and lots of layers, but only one vol-au-vent.
The Chinese have a term li, which refers to organic patterns like the streaks in jade, or the grain in wood. I think that's quite a good way to view it too. And just as universes can be stranded within a multiverse, our lives are similarly intertwined: we each live our own layer of life, and some people's are knottier, and others are smooth. Some are strong heartwood, and others are flaky bark. But they all form the tree, and it's all the stronger for the variety.
Indeed - you'd need to harness the whole power of a sun, at very least. It makes Heim's antigravity/hyperspace solution look caveman primitive by comparison

psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
Leeds Bot is truly a work of genius.
It's probably just as well - they were fascinating, but I do find even thinking about Leeds is a sore challenge for my compassion circuits. I just try to remind myself that trees also need their cankers and infestations as well as their healthy wood, for a harmonious balance.
Jake11611
19 years ago
19 years ago
About that future travel thing. I think I read somewhere that if you go fast enough (light kind of fast) you go forward a little... But I barely remember...
Eugene Meltzner
19 years ago
19 years ago
I'd think it'd be the other way around. Time slows down to nothing as you approach light speed, so theoretically if you exceeded it you'd go backwards. Kind of like what they did in Star Trek VI, only there the critical speed was Warp 10 instead of light speed for some reason.
Jazake
19 years ago
19 years ago
Is vinice there as well? and Orleans? sorry i had to. 
Is leeds bot a bot here? and is his name leeds? I tired talking to a leeds bot.. but he doesnt sound like the one you guys are talking about.

Is leeds bot a bot here? and is his name leeds? I tired talking to a leeds bot.. but he doesnt sound like the one you guys are talking about.

colonel720
19 years ago
19 years ago
ya thats the Leeds bot. his brain consists of somewhere around 10 keyphrases (most of them xKeyphrases) and a whole lot of gotos. not much of a work of genius, but it is perfect for the leeds kids - anything with a slightly higher IQ (bot derivitive of IQ) would most likely repell them.
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
Oh, go on colonel - I think you're going to have to post another Leeds Bot Great Quote. Just for Jazake, and old times' sake 
Genius lies not in complexity, but in conciseness.
Leeds bot is a more elegantly concise bot than Brother Jerome will ever be. Not that I let that worry me - BJ is not primarily about making a good bot by bot standards, or even about accurately mimicking human conversation by human standards. I'm more interested in exploring the current limitations that divide bots from sentient entities. He aims at a point infinitely far away, because it's the direction not the destination, that interests me most.
Leeds bot, even if he achieves it by aiming at a point not very far distant at all, is an uncannily accurate simulacrum of real Leeds kids, and that is his genius.
In his milieu, he is probably the strongest Turing Test contender on the Forge. And if that's not genius, I don't know what is.

Genius lies not in complexity, but in conciseness.
Leeds bot is a more elegantly concise bot than Brother Jerome will ever be. Not that I let that worry me - BJ is not primarily about making a good bot by bot standards, or even about accurately mimicking human conversation by human standards. I'm more interested in exploring the current limitations that divide bots from sentient entities. He aims at a point infinitely far away, because it's the direction not the destination, that interests me most.
Leeds bot, even if he achieves it by aiming at a point not very far distant at all, is an uncannily accurate simulacrum of real Leeds kids, and that is his genius.
In his milieu, he is probably the strongest Turing Test contender on the Forge. And if that's not genius, I don't know what is.
Jazake
19 years ago
19 years ago
I think i get it, and I know im going to knock some people around here on the floor.... but... Turing test?
When I tired to talk to Leeds bot, i got nowhere. So Im a little confused on that part. I understand what you mean by how you created him.... But Im still not getting why works so well... maybe it's because I don't know what you mean by turing test.. lol
When I tired to talk to Leeds bot, i got nowhere. So Im a little confused on that part. I understand what you mean by how you created him.... But Im still not getting why works so well... maybe it's because I don't know what you mean by turing test.. lol
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