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...and to think, some of you people could be pioneers in advancing scientific theory, yet here you are on the Forge, programming chatbots to refuse the invitations of horny 13 year olds.
It's a tough job, I know. But someone's gotta do it
Greebot (Nanny Ogg's cat) with a 50% chance of a "*Cat is dead* Hangup*" responce to xhello, do you think anyone would get the joke?
Probably not. And it won't hangup if you put a conversational response in there either
Personally, I live for the day when some horny 13 year old recognizes the characters my bots are based on. For me, that's better than passing the Turning test.
Indeed. The Turing test is trivial - so few guests would pass it themselves that a week scarcely passes when someone doesn't fail to recognize that BJ is a bot. I live for the day someone attempts to carry out a death threat on him - I wonder what method they'd choose?
m inclined to go along with M. R. Franks: There is no one reality. Each of us lives in a separate universe. That's not speaking metaphorically. This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics. Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective. Consciousness is the only reality.
Kind of like the Membrane theory isn't it? Where there is an infanante number of deminsions of the universe. and our existance is like the membrane formed on your soup when it gets cold. (a very small part) Take light for instance. There are so many forms of light, but the only part we see is just scratching the surface. Theres Infra red, x-ray, ultra viloet, etc... So if you think of those as deminsions of reality. You realize that are reality is almost insignifacant.
Wormholes... Depends on what basis of wormholes you beleive in. The one i subscribe to mostley is the "stargate" form of a wormhole. That is another one in wich we have ablility to create a wormhole/stargate to travel across the galaxy instintainously (sp). The only problem is the power required run sucha beheamoth would require more gasoline then there is on the earth for just a few seconds of power.
New energy source required!
Indeed. The Turing test is trivial - so few guests would pass it themselves that a week scarcely passes when someone doesn't fail to recognize that BJ is a bot.
Brother Jerome is either the or one of the most advanced bots on the forge - so that doesn't surprise me. What really gets me is how the Leeds Bot passes our "turing test" by having Leeds Kids convinced that he's a real human from Leeds for periods of half an hour and more... I stopped posting the conversations, as I figured its not polite of me to publicize them...
like the Membrane theory isn't it? Where there is an infanante number of deminsions of the universe. and our existance is like the membrane formed on your soup when it gets cold.
Indeed - a good analogy. Or puff pastry: lots and lots of layers, but only one vol-au-vent.
The Chinese have a term li, which refers to organic patterns like the streaks in jade, or the grain in wood. I think that's quite a good way to view it too. And just as universes can be stranded within a multiverse, our lives are similarly intertwined: we each live our own layer of life, and some people's are knottier, and others are smooth. Some are strong heartwood, and others are flaky bark. But they all form the tree, and it's all the stronger for the variety.
would require more gasoline then there is on the earth for just a few seconds of power. New energy source required!
Indeed - you'd need to harness the whole power of a sun, at very least. It makes Heim's antigravity/hyperspace solution look caveman primitive by comparison
What really gets me is how the Leeds Bot passes our "turing test" by having Leeds Kids convinced that he's a real human from Leeds for periods of half an hour and more...
Leeds Bot is truly a work of genius.
I stopped posting the conversations, as I figured its not polite of me to publicize them...
It's probably just as well - they were fascinating, but I do find even thinking about Leeds is a sore challenge for my compassion circuits. I just try to remind myself that trees also need their cankers and infestations as well as their healthy wood, for a harmonious balance.
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It's a tough job, I know. But someone's gotta do it
Thanks for the explaination Psimangus. I confess to posting before reading the whole article. I now recall also hearing about Schroedinger and some damn cat. Like the particle, the cat had a 50% chance of being alive or dead when you observed it, so until you looked the cat was both alive and dead. Talk about spooky.
Whenever something is messed up, you can bet a cat is involved somewhere. If I program Greebot (Nanny Ogg's cat) with a 50% chance of a "*Cat is dead* Hangup*" responce to xhello, do you think anyone would get the joke? Since Spikebot is undead, if he observed Greebot, would it count?
Personally, I live for the day when some horny 13 year old recognizes the characters my bots are based on. For me, that's better than passing the Turning test.
Whenever something is messed up, you can bet a cat is involved somewhere. If I program Greebot (Nanny Ogg's cat) with a 50% chance of a "*Cat is dead* Hangup*" responce to xhello, do you think anyone would get the joke? Since Spikebot is undead, if he observed Greebot, would it count?
Personally, I live for the day when some horny 13 year old recognizes the characters my bots are based on. For me, that's better than passing the Turning test.
Probably not. And it won't hangup if you put a conversational response in there either
Indeed. The Turing test is trivial - so few guests would pass it themselves that a week scarcely passes when someone doesn't fail to recognize that BJ is a bot. I live for the day someone attempts to carry out a death threat on him - I wonder what method they'd choose?
Jazake: There is no possilbe way to travel into the future as far as
we know
except at 60 seconds to the minute. I buried a time capsule in my parents' back garden when I was 10. And it's travelled 30 years into the future already! Sadly they've redesigned the garden several times since, and I can no longer tell accurately where I buried the damn thing! So it'll just have to keep on travelling
traveling to the past is not impossible. You could create a field of
some sort (we have the designs for it, but i dont remember the specs)
...
The problem is, You would have to leave it on for 200 years so someone who is 200years in the future could travel to your time
Wormholes, indeed. There are several neat theories that (as I understand it) fit with Relativity, and they don't all rule out future travel. The problem of the machine having to be left on for 200 years is only apparent if we want to time-travel within this space-time. According to the Everett "many worlds interpretation", you can simply step sideways to a parallel dimension that corresponds to a past or future state of this universe. See:
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm (and if your head's not throbbing enough by thw time you've finished reading that, then check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation)
Of course there is a major problem with that (and I can't be the only person to spot it, surely, but I'm damned if I can find another reference...) - you have no way of knowing which parallel dimension actually does correspond to a past or future state of this universe, before or after you get there. Or even after you've left.
There's also Brun's Closed Time-like Curve (CTC), which seems to rest on slightly solider ground. But it only works for sending information back in time. Not material objects. In fact it provides for the answering of distinctly formulated questions by information sent backwards in time, within the past light cone of the answerer, thus neatly avoiding the grandfather paradox (it can't actually influence the course of the past.) It could make hitherto intractable computation tractable though - seehttp://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0209061
I'm inclined to go along with M. R. Franks: There is no one reality. Each of us lives in a separate universe. That's not speaking metaphorically. This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics. Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective. Consciousness is the only reality.
we know
except at 60 seconds to the minute. I buried a time capsule in my parents' back garden when I was 10. And it's travelled 30 years into the future already! Sadly they've redesigned the garden several times since, and I can no longer tell accurately where I buried the damn thing! So it'll just have to keep on travelling
some sort (we have the designs for it, but i dont remember the specs)
...
The problem is, You would have to leave it on for 200 years so someone who is 200years in the future could travel to your time
Wormholes, indeed. There are several neat theories that (as I understand it) fit with Relativity, and they don't all rule out future travel. The problem of the machine having to be left on for 200 years is only apparent if we want to time-travel within this space-time. According to the Everett "many worlds interpretation", you can simply step sideways to a parallel dimension that corresponds to a past or future state of this universe. See:
Of course there is a major problem with that (and I can't be the only person to spot it, surely, but I'm damned if I can find another reference...) - you have no way of knowing which parallel dimension actually does correspond to a past or future state of this universe, before or after you get there. Or even after you've left.
There's also Brun's Closed Time-like Curve (CTC), which seems to rest on slightly solider ground. But it only works for sending information back in time. Not material objects. In fact it provides for the answering of distinctly formulated questions by information sent backwards in time, within the past light cone of the answerer, thus neatly avoiding the grandfather paradox (it can't actually influence the course of the past.) It could make hitherto intractable computation tractable though - see
I'm inclined to go along with M. R. Franks: There is no one reality. Each of us lives in a separate universe. That's not speaking metaphorically. This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics. Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective. Consciousness is the only reality.
Wormholes... Depends on what basis of wormholes you beleive in. The one i subscribe to mostley is the "stargate" form of a wormhole. That is another one in wich we have ablility to create a wormhole/stargate to travel across the galaxy instintainously (sp). The only problem is the power required run sucha beheamoth would require more gasoline then there is on the earth for just a few seconds of power.
New energy source required!
If each of us got our very own reality, instead of working for a living, I'd spend my days getting messages from Sven the pool boy. No way I'd make a realty where I'm oppressed by The Man.
Indeed - a good analogy. Or puff pastry: lots and lots of layers, but only one vol-au-vent.
The Chinese have a term li, which refers to organic patterns like the streaks in jade, or the grain in wood. I think that's quite a good way to view it too. And just as universes can be stranded within a multiverse, our lives are similarly intertwined: we each live our own layer of life, and some people's are knottier, and others are smooth. Some are strong heartwood, and others are flaky bark. But they all form the tree, and it's all the stronger for the variety.
Indeed - you'd need to harness the whole power of a sun, at very least. It makes Heim's antigravity/hyperspace solution look caveman primitive by comparison
Leeds Bot is truly a work of genius.
It's probably just as well - they were fascinating, but I do find even thinking about Leeds is a sore challenge for my compassion circuits. I just try to remind myself that trees also need their cankers and infestations as well as their healthy wood, for a harmonious balance.
About that future travel thing. I think I read somewhere that if you go fast enough (light kind of fast) you go forward a little... But I barely remember...
I'd think it'd be the other way around. Time slows down to nothing as you approach light speed, so theoretically if you exceeded it you'd go backwards. Kind of like what they did in Star Trek VI, only there the critical speed was Warp 10 instead of light speed for some reason.
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