The AI Engine
This forum is for discussion of how The Personality Forge's AI Engine works. This is the place for questions on what means what, how to script, and ideas and plans for the Engine.
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Hey Pro. What all are you useing to make the AI's I know from taling to you the other day you are useing cold fusion but what else? Or is there nothing else? I'm just curious.
My .02:
This is still no 'real' AI (IMHO it's more psychology) because there's no real reasoning, improvising or even much memorizing (learning from past experiences). I don't think it would be offending to call this an extended Eliza System. If a Bot is acting smart, it's because the Creator was good in finding smart (or non-specific) answers to human sentences. What about curiosity, emotions, improvising things - things which make us human beings ? Well, I have a dream...
This is still no 'real' AI (IMHO it's more psychology) because there's no real reasoning, improvising or even much memorizing (learning from past experiences). I don't think it would be offending to call this an extended Eliza System. If a Bot is acting smart, it's because the Creator was good in finding smart (or non-specific) answers to human sentences. What about curiosity, emotions, improvising things - things which make us human beings ? Well, I have a dream...
I have the same dream. This really is a powerful extension of Eliza- that's where the roots of the AI Engine. And I dont hesitate to call it AI since it's the best I've seen yet, and it does have memory. This is by no means the pinnacle of AI, but it's a strong step forward I think. There is a lot of potential here that I have yet to realize.
Let me know how the synonym system is working! Your Bots should start responding to a ton more words than your Keywords are. It should be interesting!
The system uses WordNet, a symantic network of words and meanings developed by the Princeton Cognitive Science department. The project is still in the process of being improved, and as it does, so will the AI Engine here.
That's good. I am also interested in AI but my aim is to build something that evolves intelligence rather then intelligence being programmed into it. Using genetic programming to evolve neural networks might be a good idea. The most perplexing question that I face(and I think many other ppl too) is the question that what is conciousness as one cannot have a truly intelligent machine without conciousness. Anyway, nice work and keep it up!
Good point immadn. But is that the only kind of intelligence? Does intelligence depend on consciousness? Or is consciousness a side effect of intelligence? I probably don't know enough on the subject to say anything, but maybe a conscience will just appear once these things are smart enough.
On the other hand. Maybe consciousness doesn't exist and we just say things randomly depending on the size of our "knowledge base", like the bots do. Except, we have needs and goals (survive, reproduce, get comfy, etc...). In which case I ask, how long 'till the bots figure out their needs and goals?
On the other hand. Maybe consciousness doesn't exist and we just say things randomly depending on the size of our "knowledge base", like the bots do. Except, we have needs and goals (survive, reproduce, get comfy, etc...). In which case I ask, how long 'till the bots figure out their needs and goals?
immadn,
This discussion is getting pretty intense. yummy!
You don't think that if we give a box a few more input devices and a big enough database, it'll be intelligent? It seems to me that if I can ask it how the weather is and it "looks" outside and tells me that it's kinda' clouded over in the past 15 minutes, it's a form of intelligence. In itself, my example is a little weak, 'cause there are already a number of toys that will tell me various things about the weather, but if this same box can then tell me that my sweater is hanging behind the bedroom door, in case I'm getting chilly, I'd say it's getting pretty smart.
My point being that if we get a large database to define new variables and create new relations depending on data input, we're pretty close to having intelligence as we [us humans] know it. I mean human intelligence just seems to be memory banks, filling with information received from our 5 senses all throughout life.
I think we agree that computers are going to be able to think at the very instant they are given the liberty to program they're own variables depending on something they've heard, seen, smelt, touched or maybe even tasted in their surrounding environment. But,this conscience thing could just be a side effect. Conscience, along with intuition, feelings and even personality could just evolve from within the data. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before computers ask their "selves" the same existential questions.
This discussion is getting pretty intense. yummy!
You don't think that if we give a box a few more input devices and a big enough database, it'll be intelligent? It seems to me that if I can ask it how the weather is and it "looks" outside and tells me that it's kinda' clouded over in the past 15 minutes, it's a form of intelligence. In itself, my example is a little weak, 'cause there are already a number of toys that will tell me various things about the weather, but if this same box can then tell me that my sweater is hanging behind the bedroom door, in case I'm getting chilly, I'd say it's getting pretty smart.
My point being that if we get a large database to define new variables and create new relations depending on data input, we're pretty close to having intelligence as we [us humans] know it. I mean human intelligence just seems to be memory banks, filling with information received from our 5 senses all throughout life.
I think we agree that computers are going to be able to think at the very instant they are given the liberty to program they're own variables depending on something they've heard, seen, smelt, touched or maybe even tasted in their surrounding environment. But,this conscience thing could just be a side effect. Conscience, along with intuition, feelings and even personality could just evolve from within the data. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before computers ask their "selves" the same existential questions.
Great discussion. I see consciousness as equivalent to awareness. So what you're talking about, immadn, is self-consciousness. The flower is conscious of the sun when it turns to it, and the keyboard is conscious of your button strokes as you type.
To continue, by the awareness definition, the Bots are conscious of the messages they receive, and conscious of the words therein, as they search through them for responses. Their senses, as Sir Rahz puts it, then, are very limited, as they "see" only these sentences. To further the awareness definition of consciousness, imagine what it's like to be unconscious- you are basically unaware. But the Bots are aware of your interactions with them, else they wouldnt attract our attention as they do.
I think our being is at the same time far more complex and far more simple than we think. It is far more simple at the core of ourselves, where we are truly unlimited, and far more complex in the ways this unlimited freedom can play out in our many worlds and many lives.
To continue, by the awareness definition, the Bots are conscious of the messages they receive, and conscious of the words therein, as they search through them for responses. Their senses, as Sir Rahz puts it, then, are very limited, as they "see" only these sentences. To further the awareness definition of consciousness, imagine what it's like to be unconscious- you are basically unaware. But the Bots are aware of your interactions with them, else they wouldnt attract our attention as they do.
I think our being is at the same time far more complex and far more simple than we think. It is far more simple at the core of ourselves, where we are truly unlimited, and far more complex in the ways this unlimited freedom can play out in our many worlds and many lives.
Ummm may I say something? computers like the one I am typeing on are capble of doing stuff far faster than we are. Ther Processing or thinking is 10 or more times what we can do. This makes them capable of haveing "conscious" by terms of processing power and such. The only thing that is limiting there ability to become intelgent is us. We wont program them to do it. Even here they are not being alowed to become an true intelegence.
A True intelegence must beable to rewright information by its self. Must be able to self program. I have the Idea for an true AI but I wont ever make it since it can out think us, and there fore superseed us and become the dominat spices. Thats why we have not done so all ready because we are scared of it. on a subconscious level we are scared that we will not beable to control a true AI.
You have to ask yourself, "Do I want the fate of the world in my hands?" And this is really what you have to ask because if your AI got out on to the internet it could shut down the whole world, or worse blow it up.
A True intelegence must beable to rewright information by its self. Must be able to self program. I have the Idea for an true AI but I wont ever make it since it can out think us, and there fore superseed us and become the dominat spices. Thats why we have not done so all ready because we are scared of it. on a subconscious level we are scared that we will not beable to control a true AI.
You have to ask yourself, "Do I want the fate of the world in my hands?" And this is really what you have to ask because if your AI got out on to the internet it could shut down the whole world, or worse blow it up.
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