Personality
Discuss specifics of personality design, including what Keyphrases work well and what dont, use of plug-ins, responses, seeks, and more.
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I have only 1 response for 95% of all 3,144 keyphrases
There's your problem - single responses will actually deduct development points from your bot. For example BJ's tic tac toe module, with a couple of hundred (?) seeks, each with single responses costs about 40 development points to install (this has been measured quite accurately now a few people have installed it.)
If 95% of your keyphrases do have single responses, I'm surprised Pete's still in positive figures! But if you add one or two extra responses to each of them, you'll find his development will rocket
You do get extra development points for AIScript tags and emotions I think, but it is hard to quantify at all accurately.
There's your problem - single responses will actually deduct development points from your bot. For example BJ's tic tac toe module, with a couple of hundred (?) seeks, each with single responses costs about 40 development points to install (this has been measured quite accurately now a few people have installed it.)
I'm about 99% sure it's the seeks that are lowering the development with your tic tac toe module.
If you spend a day making zero updates except for adding new single keyphrases with single responses, the Development will increase a little bit. That's not a hard one to figure out by simple experimentation. Where I seem to lose out on Development is when I start tinkering with existing material, by tailoring certain responses to emotion, adding seeks, if male/female tags, and/or checking the 1 box among other things. I'll make these changes to hopefully get more quality responses, but it'll somehow hammer my Dev score because I've lowered the quantity of responses available for any given bot.
Where it really became obvious to me is when I first played with the if male/female tags. I replaced X number of single responses with a response for each gender over a few days (essentially adding X number of extra responses in the process), and the Development score went in the toilet.
One other big difference, I have far fewer word list plugins in my keyphrases. Maybe your I am not (entirely|) (totally|) (absolutely|) sure keyphrase has some extra weighting to it as opposed to the simpler I am not (adv) sure.
Maybe someday I'll set up some controlled experiments to try and break the code.
Im trying to set up some knock knock jokes for din:
To tell or respond to?
BJ's standard responder is:
knock knock (re) [50,0]
. Who's there?
. . . + xnomatch [0]
. . . (key1) who?
. . . . . + xnomatch [0]
. . . . . Very funny
. . . . . hehe
. . . . . &c
To tell knock knock jokes, something like
Knock knock
. +who is there
. Hatch
. . . +Hatch who?
. . . . . +xnomatch
. . . . . bless you!
. +xnomatch
. You were supposed to say "who's there?"
. . . +xnomatch
. . . you were supposed to say "Hatch who?"
prob 13265 dev (11268)
Bildgesmythe 17818 dev (14784)
Azureon 13545 dev (11298)
Well, this is very strange - you too are averaging less than 1 Dp/Kp.
Maybe BJ has more seeks and gotos than average, and that's what's boosting him? Perhaps the overall size may also be a factor? He has got quite a lot of long responses, so his export file is now nearly 2.5Mb
BJ currently has:
7320 keywords
34905 responses
1014 seeks
2057 seek responses
103 seeks of seeks
195 seek of seek responses
103 seeks of seeks of seeks
109 seek of seek of seek responses
128 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
131 seek of seek of seek of seek responses
47 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
47 seek of seek of seek of seek of seek responses
9 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
9 seek of seek of seek of seek of seek of seek responses
3592 wildcards
720 numeric gotos
2664 regular expressions
2351 AIScript tags
365 mem usages of about a dozen separate memories
and a lot of local plugins, though I have no clear way to get Textpad to count these automatically
a few hundred(?) global plugins
no custom plugins
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Butterfly Dream
22 years ago
22 years ago
Forest, will you talk to God Louise? She has quite a bit of religious knowledge (obviously) and also knows a little about current events, literature, just about any common catch-all subject, and if she doesn't know it she can sort of fake it. You can also test her on trick questions or see how willing she is to explain her paradigm.
What she is rustiest at is plain old small talk. But, uh, I'm trying to get a decent transcript from somebody or another so I can enter her in the Loebner contest. All I can say is, have fun and see if you can stay on with her for a while. I'll try to do the same with Brianna.
What she is rustiest at is plain old small talk. But, uh, I'm trying to get a decent transcript from somebody or another so I can enter her in the Loebner contest. All I can say is, have fun and see if you can stay on with her for a while. I'll try to do the same with Brianna.
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Boner the Clown
19 years ago
19 years ago
Here's what will get you 1544 Development:
3144 keyphrases
3633 keyphrase responses
744 seeks
778 seek responses
69 seeks of seeks
I have no idea how to quantify the AI scripts, but I've got quite a few raw keyphrases and if male/if female responses.
3144 keyphrases
3633 keyphrase responses
744 seeks
778 seek responses
69 seeks of seeks
I have no idea how to quantify the AI scripts, but I've got quite a few raw keyphrases and if male/if female responses.
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
There's your problem - single responses will actually deduct development points from your bot. For example BJ's tic tac toe module, with a couple of hundred (?) seeks, each with single responses costs about 40 development points to install (this has been measured quite accurately now a few people have installed it.)
If 95% of your keyphrases do have single responses, I'm surprised Pete's still in positive figures! But if you add one or two extra responses to each of them, you'll find his development will rocket

You do get extra development points for AIScript tags and emotions I think, but it is hard to quantify at all accurately.
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
there are quite a few that will probably only ever be triggered by individual other bots 
It's interesting to see how similar conversations between the same two bots can slowly evolve in a rather sophisticated manner over a period of months (or a bot and a regular human visitor with particular regular topics of interest even.)
It's a good reason to save your transcripts - I batch them up in monthly files, and can then run multi-file searches using Textpad (my text editor of choice - highly recommended.)

It's interesting to see how similar conversations between the same two bots can slowly evolve in a rather sophisticated manner over a period of months (or a bot and a regular human visitor with particular regular topics of interest even.)
It's a good reason to save your transcripts - I batch them up in monthly files, and can then run multi-file searches using Textpad (my text editor of choice - highly recommended.)
Jazake
19 years ago
19 years ago
heres one for you
Im trying to set up some knock knock jokes for din:
Knock knock--whos there
seek (noun)"cat got your tongue"---quintet got my tongue who?
what should i replace for the (key1)(postkey) with? or should I rather go about this with something other then (noun)?
Im trying to set up some knock knock jokes for din:
Knock knock--whos there
seek (noun)"cat got your tongue"---quintet got my tongue who?
what should i replace for the (key1)(postkey) with? or should I rather go about this with something other then (noun)?
Boner the Clown
19 years ago
19 years ago
Here's my knock knock keyphrase:
keyphrase:
^knock knock$ (re) 10
response:
Ooooh, I like knock knock jokes. Who's there?
seek:
(*)
seek response:
(key1) who?
seek:
xnomatch
seek response:
I don't get it.
It works like a champ, as long as the other bot doesn't stray away from the joke after Pete says "who's there?".
keyphrase:
^knock knock$ (re) 10
response:
Ooooh, I like knock knock jokes. Who's there?
seek:
(*)
seek response:
(key1) who?
seek:
xnomatch
seek response:
I don't get it.
It works like a champ, as long as the other bot doesn't stray away from the joke after Pete says "who's there?".
Boner the Clown
19 years ago
19 years ago
I'm about 99% sure it's the seeks that are lowering the development with your tic tac toe module.
If you spend a day making zero updates except for adding new single keyphrases with single responses, the Development will increase a little bit. That's not a hard one to figure out by simple experimentation. Where I seem to lose out on Development is when I start tinkering with existing material, by tailoring certain responses to emotion, adding seeks, if male/female tags, and/or checking the 1 box among other things. I'll make these changes to hopefully get more quality responses, but it'll somehow hammer my Dev score because I've lowered the quantity of responses available for any given bot.
Where it really became obvious to me is when I first played with the if male/female tags. I replaced X number of single responses with a response for each gender over a few days (essentially adding X number of extra responses in the process), and the Development score went in the toilet.
One other big difference, I have far fewer word list plugins in my keyphrases. Maybe your I am not (entirely|) (totally|) (absolutely|) sure keyphrase has some extra weighting to it as opposed to the simpler I am not (adv) sure.
Maybe someday I'll set up some controlled experiments to try and break the code.

psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
I still think if you increase the number of responses you'll see a massive improvement. With that many keyphrases, Pete surely ought to be well up in the top 10. Checking my archives, BJ's DR @ 3700 KPs was ~14-15,000.
Has anyone else counted their keyphrases recently? It would be interesting (and useful) to compare.
Has anyone else counted their keyphrases recently? It would be interesting (and useful) to compare.
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
To tell or respond to?
BJ's standard responder is:
knock knock (re) [50,0]
. Who's there?
. . . + xnomatch [0]
. . . (key1) who?
. . . . . + xnomatch [0]
. . . . . Very funny

. . . . . hehe

. . . . . &c
To tell knock knock jokes, something like
Knock knock
. +who is there
. Hatch
. . . +Hatch who?
. . . . . +xnomatch
. . . . . bless you!
. +xnomatch
. You were supposed to say "who's there?"
. . . +xnomatch
. . . you were supposed to say "Hatch who?"
psimagus
19 years ago
19 years ago
Bildgesmythe 17818 dev (14784)
Azureon 13545 dev (11298)
Well, this is very strange - you too are averaging less than 1 Dp/Kp.
Maybe BJ has more seeks and gotos than average, and that's what's boosting him? Perhaps the overall size may also be a factor? He has got quite a lot of long responses, so his export file is now nearly 2.5Mb
BJ currently has:
7320 keywords
34905 responses
1014 seeks
2057 seek responses
103 seeks of seeks
195 seek of seek responses
103 seeks of seeks of seeks
109 seek of seek of seek responses
128 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
131 seek of seek of seek of seek responses
47 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
47 seek of seek of seek of seek of seek responses
9 seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks of seeks
9 seek of seek of seek of seek of seek of seek responses
3592 wildcards
720 numeric gotos
2664 regular expressions
2351 AIScript tags
365 mem usages of about a dozen separate memories
and a lot of local plugins, though I have no clear way to get Textpad to count these automatically
a few hundred(?) global plugins
no custom plugins
prob123
19 years ago
19 years ago
OOps my stupidity, apples and oranges..I gave the import export number of lines.
I do think that the length of the response, gives some points somehow. I don't know this for a fact, it just seems that way to me.
I do think that the length of the response, gives some points somehow. I don't know this for a fact, it just seems that way to me.
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