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Posts 257 - 268 of 2,133
The Star Spangled Banner does sound pretty drunk and would probably sound better if sung by more drunks.
As for the Pledge: keep in mind that kids are often pressured to say this thing which is actually a promise. It's generally not even presented as optional. It's just something you do, like coming to school. Hardly anybody questions it, and those who do are pressured to conform.
Where I live, Billy Graham gets the front page every time he blows his nose, and there is actually a movement to make the Pledge of Allegiance mandatory in the county schools. What kind of vow is THAT?
As for the Pledge: keep in mind that kids are often pressured to say this thing which is actually a promise. It's generally not even presented as optional. It's just something you do, like coming to school. Hardly anybody questions it, and those who do are pressured to conform.
Where I live, Billy Graham gets the front page every time he blows his nose, and there is actually a movement to make the Pledge of Allegiance mandatory in the county schools. What kind of vow is THAT?
Oh, also, THIS was the original pledge:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."
Well I lived in a time where pledging to the flag was a must. When we went to war with vietnam, then alot of kids, ie, teenagers did not want anything to do with the flag.
Pledging allegience to the Republic and to the flag which serves as its herald need not bar burning the flag, of course, as long as you are not also burning the Republic.
I think Ms. Dream that it prior to the '54 amendment it read just as it does today, minus those two words "under god"... i.e. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Am I wrong, are you quoting an original original?
But seriously -- what was wrong with "one nation, indivisible"?
I think Ms. Dream that it prior to the '54 amendment it read just as it does today, minus those two words "under god"... i.e. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Am I wrong, are you quoting an original original?
But seriously -- what was wrong with "one nation, indivisible"?
I believe that Oregonian state law(I live in Oregon) recently made it obligatory for schools to recite it every week or so.
I grew up reciting it every day but it never really meant anything to me. Sure I understood it, I just didn't give a damn either way. 
I don't know having to pledge our loyalty over and over again almost seems like worshiping our country.
Errrm Onyx, America has (roughly) 260,000,000 citizens. If as you say, 99.99999999999 per cent of them suck that leaves 0.00000000001 that don't. That is something like 0.026 of a person who doesn't suck. Onyx has just insulted the entire American nation including herself without realising it. 
Hey, let's face it, I'm not proud of most of the stuff humanity has done. And the stuff we've done that I AM proud of, was probably done for reasons I'm not proud of. If I could figure out how to be something besides human, I would be.
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