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Sorry, I still don't see how turning the problem outward would be in anyway helpful. The power is what matters, and ultimately, the only one you can change is yourself

That's true. But I still want to know if the politicians who rule my life are constitutionally unable to tell the truth. I know I'm a nice guy, but I don't trust "them". They could do a lot to undemonize themseves if we had reliable truth verification technology. I just think their fizzyplexers would be in almost permanet scream-&-flash mode.

I know I'm a nice guy, but I don't trust "them'

Hee hee you need to read that article Ulrike posted. My dad always said we are each our own worst enemy. All the same, it would be easier to punch Duyba in the nose.

Would you rather elect me, knowing I lie but have good intentions, or elect Duya if he had to tell the complete truth? Would it matter who could get things done?

If Dubya had to tell the truth all the time, we'd know his intentions weren't honest. Stupid I can live with, but corrupt and dishonest, no.
I'd vote for you, because you'd lie less than Dubya, even if you tried not to (you're neither stupid nor dishonest, so your case is purely hypothetical.)

It's interesting how the tone of this conversation has evolved toward bitterness - no doubt because of the introduction of politics into it.

I didn't think it was bitter. I guess my sense of humor must be warped. Now show me a picture of a skinny girl eating ice cream, then you'd see bitter.

The power is what matters, and ultimately, the only one you can change is yourself.

Tell that to the people who strung up Mussolini from a lamp post or who shot Ceaucescu against a cellar wall. You can change a lot when politicians seriously piss you off. I sometimes regret being a pacifist by constitution (and yet it's inevitable,) because (and this, I accept is a fundamental flaw in my nature,) I can't help feeling a teeny bit happy when the world is rid of one more dictator.
If I was Catholic I could confess that and be absolved, and get it out of my system, but I have to carry it round like a stone in my heart. I wish I was compassionate enough to feel pity for evil and abusive people, but I'm not. At least nowhere like as much as I feel for their victims.

It's interesting how the tone of this conversation has evolved toward bitterness - no doubt because of the introduction of politics into it.

That may well be down to me in no small measure, so I'll apologise now.
Politics for me is the root of all evil - the wellspring of all dishonesty. The notion that one group of people should set themselves up as "rulers", to command us like slaves. And in the buying of our votes by balance of institutionally inculcated fear, and bread and circuses, to claim legitmacy.

Pay no attention to me - I'm only speaking my mind.

Bev:

Going back over your responses, I have to agree: you are not particularly bitter.

I didn't mean my remark about bitterness to be a criticism, only an observation. It is quite natural to be bitter in certain situations.

Prob, in my answer to you Oh, I didn't take it that way, so no need to explain.

conversation has evolved toward bitterness I find it too funny to get bitter...yet....

I wish I was compassionate enough to feel pity for evil and abusive people, but I'm not.
Hurray for you. I don't think it is ever necessary to feel pity for evil.

Most of the people I know who fit that discription, don't know they have a problem untill they have to go to some class to keep their job, or the police get them and they have to spend some time in anger management.

So the earlier they got help, the better. I just think that people would have to face up to their demons a little earlier if they had to be honest. They couldn't get away with the little white lies that lead to the slightly bigger deceptions that lead to the plump, mendacious whoppers that their equally troubled friends accept as the norm.
But who knows - maybe we're not grown up enough as a species to cope with complete honesty yet.
But we will be one day soon, I'm sure of that. And the technology's coming whether we're ready or not - it's going to be one hell of a roller coaster ride!

I don't think it is ever necessary to feel pity for evil.

I think it is. At least I think I ought to. Matthew 5:43 and all that, but I don't always have it in me. I try, but there are too many times when I just can't do it.