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Posts 3,811 - 3,822 of 6,170
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Now, all by itself, the fact that a glass will break while other glasses in areas of equal or greater intensity do not would seem to support the spit-bullet theory: the effect is local because a spit bullet is small. "If it were a wave," argue the spit-bullet proponents, "it would spread out, and wherever the amplitude was sufficiently high, all the glasses would break at once." However, the proponents of the probability wave theory have an answer to this (see my previous post), and besides, the spit bullet theory can't explain diffraction, interference, and tunneling.
So we conclude with a theory has is in some ways a wave theory and in some ways a particle theory. It is a wave theory in that causation propagates as a wave, but it is particle-like in that its effects are highly local.
Also, the source of the wave is local, or, to use that delicious word, punctiliar (like or occurring at a point).
So I am not a wave-only theorist; I might however be called a propagation-by-wave-only theorist. I see no need for a particle that traces a unique, continuous path from source to target; but then, neither do you, Psimagus, since you say that the particle in the two-slit experiment goes through two slits at once. If you want to say, with David Bohm, that punctiliar particles ride on the wave, tending to the high points, I don't know of any contradiction you will get into; but since the wave alone is sufficient to explain everything, except at source and target, Occam's Razor would tend to shave them off.
So we conclude with a theory has is in some ways a wave theory and in some ways a particle theory. It is a wave theory in that causation propagates as a wave, but it is particle-like in that its effects are highly local.
Also, the source of the wave is local, or, to use that delicious word, punctiliar (like or occurring at a point).
So I am not a wave-only theorist; I might however be called a propagation-by-wave-only theorist. I see no need for a particle that traces a unique, continuous path from source to target; but then, neither do you, Psimagus, since you say that the particle in the two-slit experiment goes through two slits at once. If you want to say, with David Bohm, that punctiliar particles ride on the wave, tending to the high points, I don't know of any contradiction you will get into; but since the wave alone is sufficient to explain everything, except at source and target, Occam's Razor would tend to shave them off.
Bev
18 years ago
18 years ago
Wait! Irinia says there is a particle like energy which travels in waves and has characteristics of both, and Psimagus says there is a wavicle, which is a partile-wave thing that shows characteristics of both. What exactly is the difference?
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
As for quantum computers, they would have to be largely based on wave behaviour, since, as I understand it, they mustn't decohere until the computation is finished. The computation is done with waves, the I/O is punctiliar.
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Oops, the italics were supposed to stop after "largely." I am just not good with tags!
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Bev (3802) :
I think your learning is greater than mine, here!
Thomas Young's experiment of 1900, if I remember right, is often given credit for the century-long dominance of the wave theory of light. Essentially, he did a two-slit experiment. He had a candle; the light passed through two slits and was directed by mirrors onto a single target. The result was an interference pattern. By the reasoning in my message 3808, scientists concluded that light had to be a wave, since particles passing through the slits and bouncing off the mirrors would just have created rectangles. A candle produces so much light that the individual hits were invisible.
But the experiments you describe sound different. I would like to know more! Perhaps I can get the Hempel through interlibrary loan.
I think your learning is greater than mine, here!
Thomas Young's experiment of 1900, if I remember right, is often given credit for the century-long dominance of the wave theory of light. Essentially, he did a two-slit experiment. He had a candle; the light passed through two slits and was directed by mirrors onto a single target. The result was an interference pattern. By the reasoning in my message 3808, scientists concluded that light had to be a wave, since particles passing through the slits and bouncing off the mirrors would just have created rectangles. A candle produces so much light that the individual hits were invisible.
But the experiments you describe sound different. I would like to know more! Perhaps I can get the Hempel through interlibrary loan.
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Bev (3812) :
Good question! It looks like a giraffe, has the DNA of a giraffe, ...
Good question! It looks like a giraffe, has the DNA of a giraffe, ...
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Dear Corwin (2007) :
Yes, there is an element of Theatre of the Absurd, here! Perhaps there is a bot to be made!
Yes, there is an element of Theatre of the Absurd, here! Perhaps there is a bot to be made!
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Oh, silly me! I wrote in the date, 2007, instead of the message number, 3803, in my previous message. And Bev has already made the suggestion of a bot, in 3804. I'm afraid my brain has greatly decohered. Fortunately, my bots will survive me!
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Dear Psimagus:
Thanks for the URL's! I have been reading wikipedia articles, as well as the site Bev mentioned, where they are actually announcing production of a quantum computer accessory, a quantum database searcher.
Thanks for the URL's! I have been reading wikipedia articles, as well as the site Bev mentioned, where they are actually announcing production of a quantum computer accessory, a quantum database searcher.
Irina
18 years ago
18 years ago
Dear All:
Earlier (or was that another forum?) we were discussing whether our bots were extensions of (parts of) ourselves. In this regard, our choice of icons is interesting. Does a person's choice of icon tell something about her/him?
And now, I will reclaim my six-guns and head back to camp!
Walk in Beauty, Irina
Earlier (or was that another forum?) we were discussing whether our bots were extensions of (parts of) ourselves. In this regard, our choice of icons is interesting. Does a person's choice of icon tell something about her/him?
And now, I will reclaim my six-guns and head back to camp!
Walk in Beauty, Irina
Bev
18 years ago
18 years ago
I used to have long red hair, but I never see icons with my facial features, and my eyes are hazel green but often look brown to many people. Does my choice say I have a huge ego and want and icon that looks like me?
Bev
18 years ago
18 years ago
Oh, and I just checked and i think I actually look more like Liath's now, but with red-brown hair. Maybe a slightly bigger nose, but not so big as the big nosed choices. See how I really care? Huge ego! Gi-normus!
Irina, I noticed you picked the one that comes closest to showing cleavage. Is that the reason you picked it?
JK!
Irina, I noticed you picked the one that comes closest to showing cleavage. Is that the reason you picked it?
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