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Eugene - I don't think Jesus Christ was a messiah. I think Jesus Christ was just a man hungry for power, and a hell of a good public speaker. Hitler met those two criteria too, you know...
Hmm... "When you have done this for the least of these, you have done it for me."
"He who would be first among you must be last."
"Love thy neighbor."
Yeah. Sounds really power hungry to me. Jesus did not advocate that one group was better than another; in fact, he made a point of associating with those deemed outcast by the rest of his society. Others have twisted his teachings to support their ideologies.
Was he a Messiah? *shrugs* I don't know. But people's beliefs shape the outside world, and, since millions see him as a savior, by that criteria he is.
"He who would be first among you must be last."
"Love thy neighbor."
Yeah. Sounds really power hungry to me. Jesus did not advocate that one group was better than another; in fact, he made a point of associating with those deemed outcast by the rest of his society. Others have twisted his teachings to support their ideologies.
Was he a Messiah? *shrugs* I don't know. But people's beliefs shape the outside world, and, since millions see him as a savior, by that criteria he is.
let me point out a similarity between the two I compared:
Jesus spread some doctrine, and resulted in the christian crusades, pogroms, the church burning innocent people at the stake for not being christain and refusing to be.
Hitler spread some doctrine, and resulted in the holocaust: genocide deluxe! 12,000,000 Blacks, Jews, Gypsies, Retards, Gays, Polish, Hungarian, French, Russians... all dead.
The similarity: In both cases, many innocent people died because of fanatics that followed the ideals of power hungry, articualte speakers.
Jesus spread some doctrine, and resulted in the christian crusades, pogroms, the church burning innocent people at the stake for not being christain and refusing to be.
Hitler spread some doctrine, and resulted in the holocaust: genocide deluxe! 12,000,000 Blacks, Jews, Gypsies, Retards, Gays, Polish, Hungarian, French, Russians... all dead.
The similarity: In both cases, many innocent people died because of fanatics that followed the ideals of power hungry, articualte speakers.
Ah, so because some people have used Darwin's ideas as a reason to commit genocide, Darwin himself must have promoted genocide. Yes, it's so obvious now...
Church doctrine resulted in the crusades, the burning times, etc.
Church doctrine resulted in the crusades, the burning times, etc.
Colonel, I'd have to say your anaology fails to account for the time difference between the politics spread by Hitler and the acts that followed,and the teachings attributed to Jesus and the acts you claim are caused by them. You ignore a lot of intervening historical factors and some pretty big distinctions.
That being said, I agree with most of the teachings attributed to Jesus. It's the writings of St. Paul I think twisted Christianity (or allowed others to twist it). But my problems with Paul aside, you can not judge a religion by the wrong doen by people who claim to follow it.
That being said, I agree with most of the teachings attributed to Jesus. It's the writings of St. Paul I think twisted Christianity (or allowed others to twist it). But my problems with Paul aside, you can not judge a religion by the wrong doen by people who claim to follow it.
I find religion to be the biggest detriment to world peace. Lets say the UN finally decided to unite the world under one global democracy with peace between all countries, races, sects, ethnic groups, etc..
that would not work because of religion. The Muslims have to kill christians and Jews. The Jews have to kill Amalek - some ancient tribe that opposed them. Now, the decendents of Amalek is who the jews have to kill, although the reason you don't see the Jews slaughtering poeple on the street is because nowadays one cannot identify an Amalek. The Jews believe that when the "messiah" comes, he will identify the Amalek and the Jews will finish them off... you or me could be an Amalek! actually not me.. I'm part of the Jewish race...
Anyway, with all the religions of the world hating each other there is no way that we can all unite as humanity.
that would not work because of religion. The Muslims have to kill christians and Jews. The Jews have to kill Amalek - some ancient tribe that opposed them. Now, the decendents of Amalek is who the jews have to kill, although the reason you don't see the Jews slaughtering poeple on the street is because nowadays one cannot identify an Amalek. The Jews believe that when the "messiah" comes, he will identify the Amalek and the Jews will finish them off... you or me could be an Amalek! actually not me.. I'm part of the Jewish race...
Anyway, with all the religions of the world hating each other there is no way that we can all unite as humanity.
I think the problem is not really religion, but what people do in the name of religion. If religion becomes a way of identifying an "In" group and an "Out" group and then becomes an "us against them" deal, it's not really religion. It's people twisting religion for political reasons.
The same can be said about patriotism. There is nothing wrong with loving your country and serving your community. It's when love of your country or community becomes hatred towards (or just fear of) other countries and comunities that the problems occur. Racism and even sexism can work like that too.
The problem isn't that there are religions (or countries, or races, or sexes). The problem is that there is a lack of tolerance and that people don't follow the core message about love and compassion. That is not religion's fault--it's just the darker side of human nature.
The same can be said about patriotism. There is nothing wrong with loving your country and serving your community. It's when love of your country or community becomes hatred towards (or just fear of) other countries and comunities that the problems occur. Racism and even sexism can work like that too.
The problem isn't that there are religions (or countries, or races, or sexes). The problem is that there is a lack of tolerance and that people don't follow the core message about love and compassion. That is not religion's fault--it's just the darker side of human nature.
Oh, PS, Colonel, there may be people who are jewish who would kill me for being an amalek or whatever, but I don't know any Jewsih people who would raise a hand to me. Most of them just try to feed me cos they think I look small. Are American Jews more mellow than other Jewish people?
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