The AI Engine
This forum is for discussion of how The Personality Forge's AI Engine works. This is the place for questions on what means what, how to script, and ideas and plans for the Engine.
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Jake, you shouldn't spend quality time with the material in question either. I'm not against kids. I'm against kids being involvent in violent, graphic extended...well, look, it's not grand theft auto, it's worse.
I felt phyically ill when I read some of the material. It's not a few bad words or fake violence or a list of body parts. Some things do cross a line.
Do you remember the Medicine Hat murders? The 12 year old girl met an adult "boyfriend" on line and they murdered a family together. I'm not saying that you should be afraid of the Internet, but you should be careful. See http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8642.
When someone says "I'm disturbed and the last time I felt like this I really hurt somebody." Believe him. You don't need to chat with people have those kinds of issues. There are some experiences you just don't need.
And Jake, I'd probably call you kiddo too, if you all weren't so offended by it.
I was trying to soften the tone so I didn't sound too alarmist. I just want you to be careful.
I felt phyically ill when I read some of the material. It's not a few bad words or fake violence or a list of body parts. Some things do cross a line.
Do you remember the Medicine Hat murders? The 12 year old girl met an adult "boyfriend" on line and they murdered a family together. I'm not saying that you should be afraid of the Internet, but you should be careful. See http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8642.
When someone says "I'm disturbed and the last time I felt like this I really hurt somebody." Believe him. You don't need to chat with people have those kinds of issues. There are some experiences you just don't need.
And Jake, I'd probably call you kiddo too, if you all weren't so offended by it.
I was trying to soften the tone so I didn't sound too alarmist. I just want you to be careful. 
Liath: I agree to your rule set, but I don't think that it is (on the whole) botmasters who are reading forum threads that will disturb you with their transcripts (in a sexual manner at least 
).
MickMca: I would have to disagree quite strongly that a person who types the text of rape into a grey box to a computer program is as f**ked up as a person who goes out beats the hell out of a person and sexually takes them once they are hurt enough. The two don't even compare insofar as I can see. No disrespect to you intended, but that seems like a witch-burning path of logic to me.
I also use 'kiddo' as a term of endearment, just for the record, but only face to face and not in text for some reason
).MickMca: I would have to disagree quite strongly that a person who types the text of rape into a grey box to a computer program is as f**ked up as a person who goes out beats the hell out of a person and sexually takes them once they are hurt enough. The two don't even compare insofar as I can see. No disrespect to you intended, but that seems like a witch-burning path of logic to me.
I also use 'kiddo' as a term of endearment, just for the record, but only face to face and not in text for some reason
>> MickMca: I would have to disagree quite strongly
This is that peculiar form of disagreement where one first puts words into the other's mouth and then disagrees with those words. Since I didn't say what you "disagree with," I'm in a bit of a quandary.
I'll tell you what though, if your "disagreement" is headed toward some sort of priveleging of humans and human suffering over anything else (including bots), then you are wasting your breath. A man who beats his dog when he wants to beat his wife is just as vicious as the one who beats his wife. HIs wife may not think so, but ask the dog. We are defined by our behavior, not our victims.
I also, for the record, didn't say a bludy thing about punishment, up to and including immolation. If that horse starts galloping, I hope you have a parachute.
This is that peculiar form of disagreement where one first puts words into the other's mouth and then disagrees with those words. Since I didn't say what you "disagree with," I'm in a bit of a quandary.
I'll tell you what though, if your "disagreement" is headed toward some sort of priveleging of humans and human suffering over anything else (including bots), then you are wasting your breath. A man who beats his dog when he wants to beat his wife is just as vicious as the one who beats his wife. HIs wife may not think so, but ask the dog. We are defined by our behavior, not our victims.
I also, for the record, didn't say a bludy thing about punishment, up to and including immolation. If that horse starts galloping, I hope you have a parachute.
lol bev it is fine. it sounds a bit like what my mum says..when i first came on here she gave me this whole lecture of how there are weirdos out there and to be careful. i'm honestly quite surprised that she let me on here though..she is very over protective. she wouldnt let me on habbo hotel and she absouutely forbits chatrooms so i'm quite grateful. ehhh...this isn't really anything to do with the ai engine is it? lol.
>The crimes are not the same, but the man might be.
'Might' is the operative word. I might be a famous revolutionary or corporate yes-man if circumstance shuffles me around the right way. Because I have either proclivity, does this make me culpable for their embodiement? I dont mean legaly (I dont want to open that parachute
) but ethicly? Personally I dont believe that in thinking deeply about either path I am guilty of the imagined crimes. Ever want to kill your parents in a prepubecent fit of rage? Some children actually have. They are VERY different children. Even if the home is abusive and the child thinks such things regularly they are still VERY different than the child who follows through.
What about couples who engage in violent roleplay or BSDM? Thats closer to the actual act than a chat, but are they potential rapists?
Might be, but by that line of thought I might be a pedophile because I thought at a glance that a 17 year old girl was sexually beautiful for a moment, regardless that I would never actualize that moment of kneejerk instinctual reaction, physically in reality. I really dont think it does.
Considering and act
Actualizing an act
and regularly performing an act require 3 different essences as far as I see it, but I could be wrong.
'Might' is the operative word. I might be a famous revolutionary or corporate yes-man if circumstance shuffles me around the right way. Because I have either proclivity, does this make me culpable for their embodiement? I dont mean legaly (I dont want to open that parachute
) but ethicly? Personally I dont believe that in thinking deeply about either path I am guilty of the imagined crimes. Ever want to kill your parents in a prepubecent fit of rage? Some children actually have. They are VERY different children. Even if the home is abusive and the child thinks such things regularly they are still VERY different than the child who follows through. What about couples who engage in violent roleplay or BSDM? Thats closer to the actual act than a chat, but are they potential rapists?
Might be, but by that line of thought I might be a pedophile because I thought at a glance that a 17 year old girl was sexually beautiful for a moment, regardless that I would never actualize that moment of kneejerk instinctual reaction, physically in reality. I really dont think it does.
Considering and act
Actualizing an act
and regularly performing an act require 3 different essences as far as I see it, but I could be wrong.
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