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there are many Bible passages about bloody vengeance and eyes and teeth everywhere. Yes, but even God demands repentance. I see a danger in not abhorring evil. A soft heart will let someone out to repeat offences. Ignoring horrible dictators allows history to repeat bloody genocide. The bible also warns people to have discernment.
What value system would this AI employ? Good question, the programming would never be finished, you would never get humans to agree on the input.
Women's clothes. Not important I guess, but I enjoy pretty things. I feel somewhat like a decorator crab, bedecking myself with anything shiny and available.
if men are so hot for normal shaped women, why do the female characters in video games have big chests, flat tummies and long legs?
Because they're marketed by the same freaks who design and market women's clothes I guess. Or somewhere at that end of the spectrum. Presumably they do get off on anorexic stick insects, but I don't know any RL male friends who'd agree with them - even the shallow ones who judge women mostly by looks don't want the kind of size double zero 'Belsen chic' model you too often see on catwalks for a girlfriend. Everyone needs some padding.
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'High fashion' - including the more expensive VS stuff - is essentially about prestige, not beauty. As with virtually all luxury goods, the point is conspicuous consumption - to prove that you can afford it.
Hmmm... thinking along those lines, perhaps the reason for the popularity of the 'superslender except for breasts and pelvis' look is precisely that it is so hard to obtain. The sale of luxuries requires the incitement to envy and the creation of desires hard to satisfy.
Hmmm... thinking along those lines, perhaps the reason for the popularity of the 'superslender except for breasts and pelvis' look is precisely that it is so hard to obtain. The sale of luxuries requires the incitement to envy and the creation of desires hard to satisfy.
I wonder - if Prob123's empress bot declared that for five years, all media treatments of the female body - whether Playboy, art photography, movie stars, pop divas, or whatever - had to have the same statistical distribution of body types as found in the general population, then at the end of the five years, would heteromales find the quasi-anorexic look to be bizarre, rather than sexy?
Because they're marketed by the same freaks who design and market women's clothes I guess. Or somewhere at that end of the spectrum. Presumably they do get off on anorexic stick insects, but I don't know any RL male friends who'd agree with them - even the shallow ones who judge women mostly by looks don't want the kind of size double zero 'Belsen chic' model you too often see on catwalks for a girlfriend. Everyone needs some padding.
I remember reading about some tribe where the men of wealth and power collected harems, which they kept in cages and fed huge amounts of tapioca. The women became monstrously obese, and that was the desired effect - it proved that the man could afford lots of tapioca root.
So what is a man with a superslender wife or mistress proving? That she is willing to starve herself for him?
So what is a man with a superslender wife or mistress proving? That she is willing to starve herself for him?
A man with a melonomorph (apple-shaped) wife would perhaps be proving that he has nothing to prove - that he is humane to the core! [Hee hee - I warned you, sometimes I just can't help myself!!!]
The ideal human female shape has changed over time, and geography. In Tonga, they still think skinny women are ill. Even look at porno, from the past and other cultures, like the orient, the females have not always been thin and muscular. I know several guys that really like big women. I don't think women should demand that men change. I think we need to be comfortable in our own skin. They (men) will follow our lead. Sexy is someone that feels good about themselves.
Maybe it's just here in Canada..but I have friends and family of all sizes. and there is no problem finding neat clothes..just the money to buy them. Thank goodness for Wal Mart. BUT like I say Alberta is not the hot bed of fashion. OH Oh,..I love Baby Phat!
I can't help but think of a friend I have, who is 'way big'. but she knows she is pretty and hot. She can flirt and flaunt better than any of her 'skinny friends' and I have never seen her without the date of her choice.
I can't help but think of a friend I have, who is 'way big'. but she knows she is pretty and hot. She can flirt and flaunt better than any of her 'skinny friends' and I have never seen her without the date of her choice.
On the clothes/shape issue: maybe I should clarify: I shop at Walmart, Value City and Target. This is not about wanting to fit into high fashion. It's about wanting to buy clothes that fit.
To be fair, the problem is probably more that I am short and round rather than that I am round. I see clothes that look comfortable and cut right for my shape that start at a size 10 or 12. I have size 4 legs (if that), size four hips, size four chest and size four shoulders. On a good day, when I am not bloated, I may even have a size 4 waist. I just have a size 6 stomach, and no one makes clothes for short women who put on weight. I can either squeeze into a 4, not breath and look like I'm trying to be something I'm not, or swim in a six, roll up the legs and put foam in the shoulders and chest to make it sort of fit.
I am perfectly comfortable in my own skin. It's my jeans that don't fit. Maybe I should just ask if maternity wear has a juniors department?
As for attracting men, yes I know cultural values and perception of beauty changes. As I have said a few times now, men are not really the problem (though I still say men that want a little "meat" on the bone don't want it where I get it). You can always find someone to date. I also have many good qualities unrelated to looks that can be a draw for the right guy. That's not the point.
I would like the body I had when I was 20 (in no away a "10" even then) because that was my peak and I liked that body. I like this body too, but the old one was better. It just was.
If you are all honest, you would admit there are things you would like to change about your bodies too. If you are telling me you would rather be pudgy and older looking than have a young, fit body you are (a) either still young and fit and have no idea what you are talking about or (b) lying. Sorry, I just don't buy it.
You all say you want honesty and are set to go out and get lie detectors so that we evolve beyond our need to lie, but when I express a truth you think lack self esteem or is not PC or whatever, you all want to change my mind. Trust me, my ego is just fine. Really. It's my tummy that need work.
To be fair, the problem is probably more that I am short and round rather than that I am round. I see clothes that look comfortable and cut right for my shape that start at a size 10 or 12. I have size 4 legs (if that), size four hips, size four chest and size four shoulders. On a good day, when I am not bloated, I may even have a size 4 waist. I just have a size 6 stomach, and no one makes clothes for short women who put on weight. I can either squeeze into a 4, not breath and look like I'm trying to be something I'm not, or swim in a six, roll up the legs and put foam in the shoulders and chest to make it sort of fit.
I am perfectly comfortable in my own skin. It's my jeans that don't fit. Maybe I should just ask if maternity wear has a juniors department?
As for attracting men, yes I know cultural values and perception of beauty changes. As I have said a few times now, men are not really the problem (though I still say men that want a little "meat" on the bone don't want it where I get it). You can always find someone to date. I also have many good qualities unrelated to looks that can be a draw for the right guy. That's not the point.
I would like the body I had when I was 20 (in no away a "10" even then) because that was my peak and I liked that body. I like this body too, but the old one was better. It just was.
If you are all honest, you would admit there are things you would like to change about your bodies too. If you are telling me you would rather be pudgy and older looking than have a young, fit body you are (a) either still young and fit and have no idea what you are talking about or (b) lying. Sorry, I just don't buy it.
You all say you want honesty and are set to go out and get lie detectors so that we evolve beyond our need to lie, but when I express a truth you think lack self esteem or is not PC or whatever, you all want to change my mind. Trust me, my ego is just fine. Really. It's my tummy that need work.
Bev said: Everyone thinks shadow work sounds cool until you have to accept evil as a part of self and humanity and deal with it instead of thinking of it as a disease or freak anomaly.
prob123 said:I see a danger in not abhorring evil.
The thing to realize is that there is a continuum. There are acts that nearly everyone would recognize as evil (murdering your family, genocide, etc) and there are acts that nearly everyone would recognize as good (feeding the hungry, stopping senseless violence). The majority of acts fall somewhere in the middle. Even well-intentioned acts often have negative, even evil, consequences. Sometimes acts intended as evil have good consequences.
But it's really our own recognition of things that are good that creates the notion of evil: things that are not good. In and of itself, an action is neither good nor evil. The intent behind it pushes it towards one of those labels, but the consequences of the act may counteract that intent. So there's a whole intricate web that determines the label we place on things.
I don't consider it useful to abhor a label, especially a label contingent on so many other factors. I do find it useful to abhor a mindset that often leads to that label (evil). There's more to it, but I think Granny Weatherwax got most of it when she said, "It all starts with thinkin' of people as things." (quoted from memory; Bev probably has it in Esme's language center
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prob123 said:
The thing to realize is that there is a continuum. There are acts that nearly everyone would recognize as evil (murdering your family, genocide, etc) and there are acts that nearly everyone would recognize as good (feeding the hungry, stopping senseless violence). The majority of acts fall somewhere in the middle. Even well-intentioned acts often have negative, even evil, consequences. Sometimes acts intended as evil have good consequences.
But it's really our own recognition of things that are good that creates the notion of evil: things that are not good. In and of itself, an action is neither good nor evil. The intent behind it pushes it towards one of those labels, but the consequences of the act may counteract that intent. So there's a whole intricate web that determines the label we place on things.
I don't consider it useful to abhor a label, especially a label contingent on so many other factors. I do find it useful to abhor a mindset that often leads to that label (evil). There's more to it, but I think Granny Weatherwax got most of it when she said, "It all starts with thinkin' of people as things." (quoted from memory; Bev probably has it in Esme's language center
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Yes, everything else being equal, I'd rather have a young body (fizziplexer stops yowling).
As to your tummy,wWell, there's sit-ups and crunches!
But I think it's really true, what I said about inner regulation being a major factor. [fizziplexer stays green and quiet.]
If your ego is fine, your love life is fine, then indeed, what is there to say? I was just worried that you were disproportionately disappointed in yourself, and if so I wanted to do something to remedy that.
As to your tummy,wWell, there's sit-ups and crunches!
But I think it's really true, what I said about inner regulation being a major factor. [fizziplexer stays green and quiet.]
If your ego is fine, your love life is fine, then indeed, what is there to say? I was just worried that you were disproportionately disappointed in yourself, and if so I wanted to do something to remedy that.
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