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could it be checking for duplication from every bot in the forge?
I think it does, but that wouldn't account for it. The difference between a small bot and a large bot would be a trivial percentage in that case, since there are thousands of bots here.
And Kid Boron (700kb) hasn't been importable in weeks.
And duplicate checking text in a SQL database on the server isn't that major a workload. It's a bottleneck on the connections as far as I understand it.
The difference between a small bot and a large bot would be a trivial percentage in that case,
No, I don't think that follows. Suppose that all the bots other than bot X have a total of 1,000 lines. then if X has 10 lines (all different), the Forge has to compare each of those 10 lines with 1,000 lines. That's 10,000 comparisons. If one the other hand bot X has 20 lines, the Forge has to compare each of those 20 lines with 1,000 lines. That's 20,000 comparisons. More generally, if bot X has N lines, then the Forge has to make N*(1,000) comparisons. Double the size of bot X, and you double the number of comparisons that have to be made. Double the number of lines in other bots at the Forge, and you double the number of comparisons that have to be made.
Suppose we have M bots at the Forge with N lines per bot (a gross simplification, of course). Then checking each bot will require N*((M-1)*N comparisons. Checking all the bots will therefore require M*N*((M-1)*N). As M gets large this will not be far from (M*N)^2. So, the number of comparisons will vary with the square of the size of a bot, and almost with the square of the number of bots. This will get very big very fast.
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Many questions are answered in the FAQ.
Was that the old timing out problem where the Forge just stops responding and won't do anything until you log off, or did it crash/lock up the whole browser? Or even the whole computer?
I had Word and IE up simultaneously. IE froze up. I could still use Word, as long as I didn't try to exit from it, presumably because exiting from World would have forced my system to put up a window for IE.
In 4 cases out of 5 I was able to use control-alt-delete to get out of IE, whereupon things returned to normal. In the fifth case, even control-alt-delete wouldn't respond, so I had to turn my computer off and on.
I got all the latest updates for my MacAfee Virus Scan and ran it, butit found nothing. Today, so far, so good!
In 4 cases out of 5 I was able to use control-alt-delete to get out of IE, whereupon things returned to normal. In the fifth case, even control-alt-delete wouldn't respond, so I had to turn my computer off and on.
I got all the latest updates for my MacAfee Virus Scan and ran it, butit found nothing. Today, so far, so good!
As to slow: sometimes it takes 5 minutes or mre just to change pages at the Forge, or for a bot to respond to me. I have not been able to log out properly for some time; I click on the Forge Log Out button, the little world starts turning...and eventually the Forge page is replaced by "This page cannot be displayed." The little world keeps turning - I Clicked "Log Out" last night and went to bed, and in the morning it was still turning. So if I want to log out and be done with it, I just click on the "X" at the farthest top right. I know that is not the proper way to do it, but the other way doesn't work!
I actually managed to import a bot yesterday 
Unfortunately it was only a 4.8kb 20-keyphrase demo-bot (0.1% the size of BJ,) and took 4 attempts and over an hour of waiting to achieve
Unfortunately it was only a 4.8kb 20-keyphrase demo-bot (0.1% the size of BJ,) and took 4 attempts and over an hour of waiting to achieve
I'm new and I want people to know, if they want to chat with me just go to my profile and click that little blue button that reads "chat."
Psimagus:
Surely this is a major bug. The import function is not just an upload, it checks for various things like response duplication. But a 20-keyphrase bot shuld go through in a flash. Unless...could it be checking for duplication from every bot in the forge?
Surely this is a major bug. The import function is not just an upload, it checks for various things like response duplication. But a 20-keyphrase bot shuld go through in a flash. Unless...could it be checking for duplication from every bot in the forge?
I think it does, but that wouldn't account for it. The difference between a small bot and a large bot would be a trivial percentage in that case, since there are thousands of bots here.
And Kid Boron (700kb) hasn't been importable in weeks.
And duplicate checking text in a SQL database on the server isn't that major a workload. It's a bottleneck on the connections as far as I understand it.
Suppose we have M bots at the Forge with N lines per bot (a gross simplification, of course). Then checking each bot will require N*((M-1)*N comparisons. Checking all the bots will therefore require M*N*((M-1)*N). As M gets large this will not be far from (M*N)^2. So, the number of comparisons will vary with the square of the size of a bot, and almost with the square of the number of bots. This will get very big very fast.
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