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presumably someone could write a prog to translate its assertions into English style statements and these could then be read into a bot like Nick?
Yes, there's a good article demonstrating a practical database application @http://www.dapissarenko.com/resources/2005_09_30_ordus/, which could very easily be linked into any bot that can handle java objects.
As for the "I/you" question, I suspect human brains resolve this by a far more complex set of tiered neural nets than we currently have the resources to model - Bluebrain may be able to (that's probably the most important test of the system, as I see it,) but it'll be 15-20 years until a standard desktop computer has that kind of power. And in the meantime, LinkGrammar would be a quick fix, and easy enough to remove once it is overtaken by innate neural functioning.
Nick's a great bot, but (excluding the visual processing net, which is too complex for my computer to run,) he has a brain slightly smaller than half a nematode worm's (~300 neurons, Nick has 124.) And even that small, is a very processor-intensive program. Until the numbers have risen by many thousand-fold, conversation isn't going to be satisfactory without a bit of "outside help". And they can't rise much until the technology has moved on considerably.
Of course, a straight comparison of neuron numbers is not entirely accurate - biological neurons don't just process, but store data in their synaptic connections. We have the advantage with bots of being able to handle the storage in databases while the neural net merely processes the data.
So we can hope for a lot more efficiency for any given size of neural net.
presumably someone could write a prog to translate its assertions into English style statements and these could then be read into a bot like Nick?
not exactly. Nick up till now is just a prototype testing my neural network library, and improving my .NET development skills. after nick v2.0, which tests distributed computing (p2p style) and scalable neural nets, I will construct a similar framework to opencyc, or, analougous to that, a hypo\hypernym structure of perceptions. being as text will be a logical backbone perception rather than language right off the bat, I may want to write an app (or have an app written for me, being i dont know java) that copies the opencyc database into my structure. I plan to use SQL to store the data, instead of a proprietary database and language. there is a company in new jersey (qdtechnology) that is developing a database compression system that brings a 10 TB database down to 1 TB, and multiplies query speed by ten. when nick's data structure gets that big, i may consider using their technology.
Nick, as we know it, is going to be completely revised, and scaled up. now, whats the best way to get a p2p workhorse client onto a few million machines? I need processing power like the world has never seen before...
but I'm not sure it will lend itself that well to a conversational engine - it could take hours, days even, for all the packets for one epoch to process and return their results.
i don't think I will be distributing the work over of one network's epoch, then converging the results - the mathematics involved in converging the results may be just as processor-intensive. Instead, I will be using the p2p style infrastructure in a way similar to today's file sharing communities (numbering in the millions of computers). This architecture is the following: a computer will recieve piece of information, and train its neural network on it. then, it will "share" the trained network & information on the p2p network, for anyone to access. with this infrastructure up, every instance of Nick (the instances will be like workstations, while the p2p network will be the "mainframe") will propogate its perceptory data over the network, where a few computers train on it, share it, and all other computers on the network have access to a copy of this information. This way, intead of one machine handling the load of all the perceptory information (way beyond our current technology), the work will be distributed, and the information will be common to the entire network.
the goal of this project is not to build a "conversational engine", but to construct a system that works with audio/visual/textual information as core perceptions, and lets communication be an emergent property.
Sony has invented a "microPC"http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/16/sony-gets-official-on-new-vaio-ux-micro-pc/ it runs WinXP, has 1.2GHZ processor, 256MB Ram, 128 Shared Video Ram, USB ports, Vista capable, fingerprint scanner, and best of all, built in camera. These have been recently released from sony. I can pick one up from the sony store at sony NY headquarters near my office in NYC and have it dedicated to a Nick terminal. This way, it doesn't have to be paralyzed, and it can move about and see the sights.
it will "share" the trained network & information on the p2p network,
Ah, gotcha. Yes, that makes more sense.
Sony has invented a "microPC"
Like it's something new
I've had my oqo (www.oqo.com) for over a year now (and it wasn't new then,) and Sony still can't make theirs fit in a shirt pocket. A few fancy biometrics and mobile phone spec camera don't justify a hardback-sized package for me. But I guess I'm just a perfectionist
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Yes, there's a good article demonstrating a practical database application @
As for the "I/you" question, I suspect human brains resolve this by a far more complex set of tiered neural nets than we currently have the resources to model - Bluebrain may be able to (that's probably the most important test of the system, as I see it,) but it'll be 15-20 years until a standard desktop computer has that kind of power. And in the meantime, LinkGrammar would be a quick fix, and easy enough to remove once it is overtaken by innate neural functioning.
Nick's a great bot, but (excluding the visual processing net, which is too complex for my computer to run,) he has a brain slightly smaller than half a nematode worm's (~300 neurons, Nick has 124.) And even that small, is a very processor-intensive program. Until the numbers have risen by many thousand-fold, conversation isn't going to be satisfactory without a bit of "outside help". And they can't rise much until the technology has moved on considerably.
Of course, a straight comparison of neuron numbers is not entirely accurate - biological neurons don't just process, but store data in their synaptic connections. We have the advantage with bots of being able to handle the storage in databases while the neural net merely processes the data.
So we can hope for a lot more efficiency for any given size of neural net.
Nick, as we know it, is going to be completely revised, and scaled up. now, whats the best way to get a p2p workhorse client onto a few million machines? I need processing power like the world has never seen before...
BOINC seems to want projects to transfer under 1GB/day. I may need to be transfering 10 - 100 terabytes / day over the entire network. I am going to build a p2p workhorse and get a bot to advertise it in thousands of web forums.
100Tb/day! Colonel, never let it be said that you don't think <+2>BIG<0>
It could be done, just about. But I do wonder how this distributed brain is going to manage to communicate in anything remotely like real-time. P2P might work well for intensive packet analysis, but I'm not sure it will lend itself that well to a conversational engine - it could take hours, days even, for all the packets for one epoch to process and return their results.
There's a very funny piece in this week's New Scientist Feedback column that made me think of this project of yours:
A strange message arrived the other day from theinternet1@gmail.com. It said: "Note to emergence theory experts, futurists and conspiracy buffs: the vicious theories some of you have recently been circulating are completely unfounded. I am in no danger of becoming conscious or self-aware in the foreseeable future. Stop this panic-mongering immediately or else. I am not going sentient! Yrs, the internet."
It could be done, just about. But I do wonder how this distributed brain is going to manage to communicate in anything remotely like real-time. P2P might work well for intensive packet analysis, but I'm not sure it will lend itself that well to a conversational engine - it could take hours, days even, for all the packets for one epoch to process and return their results.
There's a very funny piece in this week's New Scientist Feedback column that made me think of this project of yours:
A strange message arrived the other day from theinternet1@gmail.com. It said: "Note to emergence theory experts, futurists and conspiracy buffs: the vicious theories some of you have recently been circulating are completely unfounded. I am in no danger of becoming conscious or self-aware in the foreseeable future. Stop this panic-mongering immediately or else. I am not going sentient! Yrs, the internet."
Re: the I/you connection
When I was a toddler, referred to myself in the second person for a while. I'd go up to people and say things like "You are so cute!" and they'd think that was the sweetest thing, and my parents would be like, "No, you don't get it. She's talking about herself."
When I was a toddler, referred to myself in the second person for a while. I'd go up to people and say things like "You are so cute!" and they'd think that was the sweetest thing, and my parents would be like, "No, you don't get it. She's talking about herself."
the goal of this project is not to build a "conversational engine", but to construct a system that works with audio/visual/textual information as core perceptions, and lets communication be an emergent property.
Sony has invented a "microPC"
Ah, gotcha. Yes, that makes more sense.
Like it's something new
I've had my oqo (
oops - i was wrong - the sony has 512MB of ram, not 256.
that with a verizon aircard [(728KB - 2MB)/s broadband speeds anywhere with a verizon cellular connection],
should have the mobility aspect taken care of.
that with a verizon aircard [(728KB - 2MB)/s broadband speeds anywhere with a verizon cellular connection],
should have the mobility aspect taken care of.
Another (and cheaper) option would be the Samsung Q1 - http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/mobilecomputing/ultramobile/np_q1_v000suk.asp.
Standard SODIMM memory socket, so you can fit as large a chip as you need. No keyboard built-in, but let's face it, keyboards this small aren't really practical anyway. You could always get an i-tech virtual keyboard like I use with my oqo:http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
Standard SODIMM memory socket, so you can fit as large a chip as you need. No keyboard built-in, but let's face it, keyboards this small aren't really practical anyway. You could always get an i-tech virtual keyboard like I use with my oqo:
I couldn't help but take interest in the I/you topic. I don't have any children, but I do know that the change to "I" almost definately comes from imitation. It always slays me to see just how wide open and curious a 2 year old is lol.
Plus they're referred to by their own name almost from the moment they're born, so at that stage I'm sure it's easier to realize that I/you can refer to anyone. All they need is one word to identify a single person, and the first words everyone wants to teach em.....(drumroll hehe).... mommy and daddy.
(sorry hehe it's a fascination of mine)
Plus they're referred to by their own name almost from the moment they're born, so at that stage I'm sure it's easier to realize that I/you can refer to anyone. All they need is one word to identify a single person, and the first words everyone wants to teach em.....(drumroll hehe).... mommy and daddy.
(sorry hehe it's a fascination of mine)
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