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That probably depends on the agnostic. There was some philosopher (might have been a mathematician as well) whose philosophy was 'Lack of belief might lead to eternal damnation, so you might as well believe in case there really is a heaven/hell.' I suspect most theologians would point out that belief must come from the heart...
I'm not convinced either way of a God's existence, but I figure that if He does exist, he probably doesn't give a crap whether you believe in him or not. A perfect being couldn't possibly be so egotistical that you'd have to kiss his ass regularly to avoid eternal burnination, right?
I dunno, that sounds like a good enough case for me to sleep in this Sunday.
I dunno, that sounds like a good enough case for me to sleep in this Sunday.
LOL Boner. I've thought the same thing myself. I'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking, (not being Christian, I sleep in most Sundays) but I think for those that go to church, it's more about what god/religion does for them than what they do for god.
If I had an ant colony, I don't think I would watch over my ants very carefuly with a blowtorch and burn any ant that makes the slightest impression that its not serving me with all its heart... I mean, if god exists, than in comparison to us, his intelligence level would be that of ours in comparison to ants... so why the hell should he expect so much out of us???
interesting you refer to god as a 'she' 
if people didn't think that god expected something from us, religion wouldn't be so dogmatic
if people didn't think that god expected something from us, religion wouldn't be so dogmatic
( BEV: personally I prefer "It" 
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The reason I say that I am Gnostic (same root as agnostic: gnosis, "to know" the "a" means "not") is not that I want for some great hereafter but moreover that I have sensed a deeper underlieing force that is sentient within the tack of circumstance ever since I can remember paying attention to the world.
That alone is the reason that I am 'religious'. As for what the specifics of that force are, I have my suspicions and thoughts that are based on watching natural cycle, studying the myriad human religions and philosophies, and trying to connect their dots. Still when it comes down to it I am really only *assuming* that, ohh for example, reality isn't just a very small very detailed bubble around me that goes no further. With that in mind (the liklihood that one is totally wrong) I try to figure out what the pattern of things is *saying to me*.
If the universe is a symptom of schtzophrenic omnipotent I am thankful it went mad- I like the privilage to witness existance (even when it is most pained and anguished) so honestly I am only curious as to "why all this is" but it really doesnt matter for whatever the reason I am grateful toward it.
Or more simply: I dont insult the divine by love based in fear of damnation or hope for eternal blisses, rather in deep thanks for the allowance of being.
)The reason I say that I am Gnostic (same root as agnostic: gnosis, "to know" the "a" means "not") is not that I want for some great hereafter but moreover that I have sensed a deeper underlieing force that is sentient within the tack of circumstance ever since I can remember paying attention to the world.
That alone is the reason that I am 'religious'. As for what the specifics of that force are, I have my suspicions and thoughts that are based on watching natural cycle, studying the myriad human religions and philosophies, and trying to connect their dots. Still when it comes down to it I am really only *assuming* that, ohh for example, reality isn't just a very small very detailed bubble around me that goes no further. With that in mind (the liklihood that one is totally wrong) I try to figure out what the pattern of things is *saying to me*.
If the universe is a symptom of schtzophrenic omnipotent I am thankful it went mad- I like the privilage to witness existance (even when it is most pained and anguished) so honestly I am only curious as to "why all this is" but it really doesnt matter for whatever the reason I am grateful toward it.
Or more simply: I dont insult the divine by love based in fear of damnation or hope for eternal blisses, rather in deep thanks for the allowance of being.
>so why the hell should he expect so much out of us???
Why not?
Its game, Its rules- if I got a problem with that I can cry a river and dig a grave.
-is one thought, not to say that is the way it is, but just demonstrating potentials.
Why not?
Its game, Its rules- if I got a problem with that I can cry a river and dig a grave.
-is one thought, not to say that is the way it is, but just demonstrating potentials.
>if He does exist, he probably doesn't give a crap whether you believe in him or not. A perfect being couldn't possibly be so egotistical that you'd have to kiss his ass regularly to avoid eternal burnination>
Amen to that. Personally I can see no place in nature where something so tremendously wasteful and sadistic as an *ETERNAL* storage place or pure torture for things that failed to beg forgiveness within the first *100 years (tops)* of their presumably infinite span of being.
Not to say that natural order = the only methodology of the divine, but that afforementioned bit seems psychotic on a level that is CONTRARY to the order and harmony of nature.
Amen to that. Personally I can see no place in nature where something so tremendously wasteful and sadistic as an *ETERNAL* storage place or pure torture for things that failed to beg forgiveness within the first *100 years (tops)* of their presumably infinite span of being.
Not to say that natural order = the only methodology of the divine, but that afforementioned bit seems psychotic on a level that is CONTRARY to the order and harmony of nature.
>if people didn't think that god expected something from us, religion wouldn't be so dogmatic>
More specificly: if people didnt think God wanted THE SAME THING from all of us (a la: A book of all truths, or a set of rituals that promise enlightenment-on-a-shtick)....THEN religion wouldnt be so reminicent of cattle herding on the general overall
More specificly: if people didnt think God wanted THE SAME THING from all of us (a la: A book of all truths, or a set of rituals that promise enlightenment-on-a-shtick)....THEN religion wouldnt be so reminicent of cattle herding on the general overall
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