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the most logical solution is agnosticism. agnostics believe that since they cannot prove or disprove god, they will forget about religion alltogether, and live their lives otherwise.

Have you looked into Gnosticism?
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Also: "where did god come from? we have 3 options to choose from: A: another God, B: Nowhere, he just came to be, C: Impossible to prove his existance."

exchange the word God with Singularity and you have the unknowable creation myth of the science reli- er- 'community'. Exactly the same as the Xians- funny that.

and:
"isn't it hippocritical to believe that all logical and physical truth comes from a god that you cannot logically prove?"

When talking about a being that hypotheticaly willed the universe to exist linear rationale counts less than many other subjects. For example: one might think the universe is God going insane (uber-schitzophrenia) or passing time to ease the dullness of infinitude and eternity so that under these belief sets literally nothing God does is impropper, even creating a universe and hiding from its inhabitents... sort of... Why? Because it is the daydream of that thing and as you might picture a character in a story you were working on as having no clue that you exist, is it not you that drives it and it's world? If with the character, you write in suspicion that YOU exist would that make him a hypocite? What about later when he is certain he is a being in a story written by YOU?

Another angle on the concept: if you have terrible things happen to your characters in said book does that make you a cruel sadist? The same can be said of the divine.

well it is just as logical to assume that if God did not exist how did such complexity occur over the relativly small amount of time that life has existed compared to the time of the rest of the universe's existance?

we are just bateria living in a ocean and trying to understand the ocean from our surroundings. It is impossible to logically explain anything from that standpoint because our knowledge is too limited.

so since logic can not explain where it all came from then what are we left with? We are left with faith. Science's faith is that their theories are sound and true. Peoples all over the whole world have faith that their beliefs are true. so how can one justify their belief over another? We can't so again what is left is faith.

what is faith? It is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence not seen. So which is better to hope that after we die all things will be beautiful and full of joy, love and hope or to hope for a simple end to our existance with no hope of there ever being anything better?

If we hope for a simple end to our existance then why not make merry and do what we want until we die. But if we hope for something better after death then we have a reason to continue on living better lives for the sake of others. Faith makes laws and goverments existance able to withstand. Lack of faith in anything would ultimatly end in chaos because there is not a sound reason for not doing what we want, when we want, regardless of the outcome. Because if we die and nothing is left then why not do what we want because in the end we die anyway.

"Lack of faith in anything would ultimatly end in chaos because there is not a sound reason for not doing what we want, when we want, regardless of the outcome. Because if we die and nothing is left then why not do what we want because in the end we die anyway."

I don't believe in anything, but I still wouldn't commit any criminal acts, even if I'd want to.
I mean, robbing a bank would get me into jail.
Using violence would hurt someone (=feeling like a horrible person and so on).
Using drugs would lead to an addiction and withdrawals and other nasty things.

I'm sure a lot of other people are like me. It's not exactly about the after life, it's about the tomorrows.. and not wanting to hurt other people.

As a Taoist, I always find 'religion as restraint' arguments amusing. Our own true nature is one with Tao, so surrendering to our true natures makes the Tao active and alive in the world. Of course, then we have all the people who have cut themselves off from their true nature...

Can I prove Tao exists? Well, everything has its own tao. A coffee cup pushed off a table will fall to the floor; that is its tao. Deciduous trees lose their leaves in the fall and regrow them in the spring; that is their tao. The Tao is simply the sum of every smaller tao. I don't 'believe in' Tao: I experience it in each and every moment.

Is Tao the same as God? I can't claim to know for certain, but I suspect there is a deep connection.

*passes the soapbox on to the next writer*

well of course there would be natural consequences for certain actions but why not still do what we want when we want for tommorrow we may die. Using the logic that we somehow sprung up from a series of events that led to simple celled life does not explain why we as humans have a sense of good vs evil. Why would a impartial universe create beings that know the difference? Why would we even have religions if it were all because of a series of lucky events. Has anybody even calculated the odds of humans becoming self aware? Or has anyone calculated the odds of life springing up at all? Why did order come out of a chaotic mass of energy and molecules to form galaxies, and planets and suns and life?

I could go on and one but I am betting that the odds would be next to nothing. We know so little about this vast universe that it is illogical not to embrace any possiblity.

And because of this I choose to believe that there is something better waiting for us on the other side. That somehow a greater intellegence was behind it all. A intellegence that would be impossible for us as its creation to understand. I choose to believe the christain sect of the jewish faith to explain the universe in terms that I can understand. Why? Because the principle outlined in the Bible really does lead to a happier more fullfilling life if we practise them in all of our affairs. kinda like certain self help groups out there. I have tried other faiths and even once believe in science to prove things but none of those things led me to a happier life. None of those religions led to filling the emptyness inside my life. Only until I accepted the message of the bible did I actually begin to grow and change my defects of character. Only then was I able to evolve as it where to a person that could actually care about someone other than myself. and that is the end of my arguement. The defense rests your honor.