Seasons

Heh heh, this is pretty amusing. If you have AOL (the whole package, not just the instant messenger), you can change the sounds like "you've got mail". So now, it's me saying "you've got mail". Wow, I'm easily amused.
If you want to try it, the sounds should be in:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\aolshare\sounds\US\Default\

Right...it's
C:/Program Files/Common Files/aolshare/sounds/US/Default
(switch the slash type)

for those of you who believe in god, think about this-
isn't it hippocritical to believe that all logical and physical truth comes from a god that you cannot logically prove?

and for those of you who are bent on the proof "god must exist because the odds of a universe so complex existing by accident are so microscopically small..." consider this-
where did god come from? we have 3 options to choose from:
A: another God, B: Nowhere, he just came to be, C: Impossible to prove his existance.
all monotheistic religions belive that there is only one god, so god cannot have come from another god. that cancels out A. B: if a universe so complex would require a being equally or more complex to create it, and this being just 'came to be out of nowhere', then why can't a complex universe just 'come to be'? That rules out B. C: the monotheistic religions believe that all truth comes from god, so if they cannot prove him, as i said above, it is hippocritical to believe that all provable truth comes from him. that cancels C.

the most logical solution is agnosticism. agnostics believe that since they cannot prove or disprove god, they will forget about religion alltogether, and live their lives otherwise.

Have you looked into Gnosticism?
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Also: "where did god come from? we have 3 options to choose from: A: another God, B: Nowhere, he just came to be, C: Impossible to prove his existance."

exchange the word God with Singularity and you have the unknowable creation myth of the science reli- er- 'community'. Exactly the same as the Xians- funny that.

and:
"isn't it hippocritical to believe that all logical and physical truth comes from a god that you cannot logically prove?"

When talking about a being that hypotheticaly willed the universe to exist linear rationale counts less than many other subjects. For example: one might think the universe is God going insane (uber-schitzophrenia) or passing time to ease the dullness of infinitude and eternity so that under these belief sets literally nothing God does is impropper, even creating a universe and hiding from its inhabitents... sort of... Why? Because it is the daydream of that thing and as you might picture a character in a story you were working on as having no clue that you exist, is it not you that drives it and it's world? If with the character, you write in suspicion that YOU exist would that make him a hypocite? What about later when he is certain he is a being in a story written by YOU?

Another angle on the concept: if you have terrible things happen to your characters in said book does that make you a cruel sadist? The same can be said of the divine.

well it is just as logical to assume that if God did not exist how did such complexity occur over the relativly small amount of time that life has existed compared to the time of the rest of the universe's existance?

we are just bateria living in a ocean and trying to understand the ocean from our surroundings. It is impossible to logically explain anything from that standpoint because our knowledge is too limited.

so since logic can not explain where it all came from then what are we left with? We are left with faith. Science's faith is that their theories are sound and true. Peoples all over the whole world have faith that their beliefs are true. so how can one justify their belief over another? We can't so again what is left is faith.

what is faith? It is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence not seen. So which is better to hope that after we die all things will be beautiful and full of joy, love and hope or to hope for a simple end to our existance with no hope of there ever being anything better?

If we hope for a simple end to our existance then why not make merry and do what we want until we die. But if we hope for something better after death then we have a reason to continue on living better lives for the sake of others. Faith makes laws and goverments existance able to withstand. Lack of faith in anything would ultimatly end in chaos because there is not a sound reason for not doing what we want, when we want, regardless of the outcome. Because if we die and nothing is left then why not do what we want because in the end we die anyway.

"Lack of faith in anything would ultimatly end in chaos because there is not a sound reason for not doing what we want, when we want, regardless of the outcome. Because if we die and nothing is left then why not do what we want because in the end we die anyway."

I don't believe in anything, but I still wouldn't commit any criminal acts, even if I'd want to.
I mean, robbing a bank would get me into jail.
Using violence would hurt someone (=feeling like a horrible person and so on).
Using drugs would lead to an addiction and withdrawals and other nasty things.

I'm sure a lot of other people are like me. It's not exactly about the after life, it's about the tomorrows.. and not wanting to hurt other people.